Posted October 16, 2012

rawmilk905
The Machine Stops
Registered: Jan 2009
From United States

P-E-S
I like games
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States

mystikmind2000
New User
Registered: Sep 2012
From Australia
Posted October 16, 2012
is it a co-incidence or is orcishgamer's question from the movie Gladiator? In which case it would be quite amusing if a member of the Arena crowd answered the 'Spaniard' with "I am very entertained, but i hope i have not annoyed anyone too much"!!

orcishgamer
Mad and Green
Registered: Jun 2010
From United States
Posted October 17, 2012

ET3D
Always a noob
Registered: Oct 2008
From Clipperton Island
Posted October 17, 2012
Oh, but it''s so missing from this topic.
I could have called myself a weak atheist or a wishy washy atheist, but I think of myself as an agnostic. I just had to admit that I'm leaning heavily towards the atheist end of agnosticism, and since "agnostic atheist" is in Wikipedia I figured that I can officially declare that I'm that.
I could have called myself a weak atheist or a wishy washy atheist, but I think of myself as an agnostic. I just had to admit that I'm leaning heavily towards the atheist end of agnosticism, and since "agnostic atheist" is in Wikipedia I figured that I can officially declare that I'm that.

Magnitus
Born Idealist
Registered: Mar 2011
From Canada
Posted October 17, 2012
I tend to be gender oblivious online, which can lead to embarrassing situations at times.
At some point, I was on msn with a buddy with whom I talk about sex from time to time (mostly comparing our experiences and such) and sure enough, we're talking about sex in that particular instance and being rather graphical about it.
Then, about 10-15 minutes into the conversation, I realize it's not my friend that is on msn, but his gf using his handle.
That was awkward to say the least.
At some point, I was on msn with a buddy with whom I talk about sex from time to time (mostly comparing our experiences and such) and sure enough, we're talking about sex in that particular instance and being rather graphical about it.
Then, about 10-15 minutes into the conversation, I realize it's not my friend that is on msn, but his gf using his handle.
That was awkward to say the least.

Yumi
미쳐
Registered: Sep 2010
From Croatia

Magnitus
Born Idealist
Registered: Mar 2011
From Canada
Posted October 17, 2012
Concerning your statements regarding females and maths (or computer sciences), I think that there is a greater interest amongst the male population on average for those topics.
One theory I would propose is that females tend to have greater interpersonal interests (notably, dating) earlier in life than boys at an age when the math part of the brain is in full development.
If you look at some of the greatest mathematicians, I think you'll find the majority were not very social types.
Heck, I have a lot of natural aptitude for mathematics and I did not start dating women until I was 22.
I'm pretty sure there is a correlation here.
Of course, these are tendencies, rather than absolute rules and there is plenty of overlap (men who have no interests in mathematics and women who are gifted mathematicians).
However, when talking about gender tendencies, I think taking the perfectly symmetrical approach is very politically correct, but also naive.
One theory I would propose is that females tend to have greater interpersonal interests (notably, dating) earlier in life than boys at an age when the math part of the brain is in full development.
If you look at some of the greatest mathematicians, I think you'll find the majority were not very social types.
Heck, I have a lot of natural aptitude for mathematics and I did not start dating women until I was 22.
I'm pretty sure there is a correlation here.
Of course, these are tendencies, rather than absolute rules and there is plenty of overlap (men who have no interests in mathematics and women who are gifted mathematicians).
However, when talking about gender tendencies, I think taking the perfectly symmetrical approach is very politically correct, but also naive.
Post edited October 17, 2012 by Magnitus

Yumi
미쳐
Registered: Sep 2010
From Croatia
Posted October 17, 2012

I really don't know about the dating part. Possible since girls hit puberty first. The majority of great scientists (not just mathematicians) were not very social types. It enabled them to spend a awful lot of time on the subject matters that interested them. Not just during the time of brain development, but in general.
Assuming your theory is correct, does that mean that you think that while girls think about dating, guys of the same age are engaged in intellectual pursuits that develop their brain in a way to have more talent for math?
Where does that put guys who like to play soccer/basketball after school with their friends, or computer games, or watch movies?
I don't think so.
Does that also mean that you'll find fewer math talented people among extroverts (since they like to be with other people)? I really don't think so. At grad school/phd level you will find more introverts, cause they're more willing to spend time alone to do what they need to. I know insanely talented people who switched majors cause they didn't want to be stuck in a lab, and wanted to be more with people.
How do you explain the fact that at the department of math at my uni there are always as many girls as there are guys? In each generation. In some generations there were actually more girls. Would that mean that croatian girls have a particular talent for math? Of course not. Computer science and engineering are improving by day, since technology is ubiquitous. You'd be surprised to see how many freshman girls are studying them.
If you tell a child that they're not good at something, or that they shouldn't expect to be good at something, they will live exactly up to that expectation. Unless they decide to prove you wrong, which doesn't happen often.
Physics and engineering, especially some fields, are another story (physics to a lesser extent). But math, math is a myth as far as I am concerned. Let's just agree to disagree.

Magnitus
Born Idealist
Registered: Mar 2011
From Canada
Posted October 17, 2012

However, I think the early brain development stages are event more crucial.

Where does that put guys who like to play soccer/basketball after school with their friends, or computer games, or watch movies?
Heck, some people go very far in their analysis for the optimisation of their strategy for some games.
Either way, spending more time by yourself definitely opens up the door for the introspection required for mathematical thinking.
I think about math stuff when I'm alone, not when I'm with my gf.
Also, dating can be a very emotional process and my personal experience is that computer sciences and maths are topics best delved into when you have a cool head.


How do you explain the fact that at the department of math at my uni there are always as many girls as there are guys? In each generation. In some generations there were actually more girls. Would that mean that croatian girls have a particular talent for math? Of course not. Computer science and engineering are improving by day, since technology is ubiquitous. You'd be surprised to see how many freshman girls are studying them.
People I talked to from other universities made similar observations.


It would be interesting to look at formal statistics on the matter.

mystikmind2000
New User
Registered: Sep 2012
From Australia
Posted October 17, 2012


Fraidnott
ASB
Registered: Dec 2010
From United Kingdom
Posted October 17, 2012
Adele and Queen Latifah? If you threw a stick they'd chase it.

Magnitus
Born Idealist
Registered: Mar 2011
From Canada
Posted October 17, 2012

She was unfaithful to him twice before they broke up though not with me as he is my friend and while I considered her physically attractive, she was not my type psychologically.
If she had not been my friend's gf, it might have been interesting, but she was so it was awkward.
I had the vague impression that she was flirting with me at one point and should probably have clued my friend in about it, but chose to mind my own business and give her the benefit of the doubt instead and hoped that things would work out between them. It didn't.

pH7
Jörmungandr
Registered: Jan 2010
From Norway
Posted October 17, 2012

One obvious explanation is that it's not the other guys that think I "need" to prove myself, but that it's just me that feel the need to do so. I'm not the only one feeling that way, though, and if enough people expect something of themselves in relation to others, it might for all practical purposes be viewed as a common trait within that group.
So, what I'd be interested in finding out is if "women having to prove themselves in male dominated areas" is any different from "men having to prove themselves in male dominates areas" - apart from men being a lot more used to "having" to prove themselves. Any thoughts?
You're right - there's tons of stuff missing from this topic - we'll just have to try to remedy that, one de-railing at the time =P
Post edited October 17, 2012 by pH7

lowyhong
resident bff
Registered: Dec 2008
From Singapore