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Egotomb: I agree with UBIvis here, but ultimately I guess you have to assess each game individually, that's why they come with EULAs.
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Gremmi: EULAs don't even enter into it, it's copyright law. Under copyright law you have limited fair use rights, that is a right to use that copyright non-commercially, with various clauses relating to how much of the work you're reproducing and whether it could feasibly impact on the market of the original work.

It's the latter part that almost all shutdown fangames fall foul of.
I just read a game EULA so that makes two of us now . Your point is acknowledged.
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Roberttitus: Well damn...

Alright. I was just looking for some Freeware Zelda-esque games & the only things that I can find are Fan games (besides Guardian of Paradise... which really isn't as much of a Zelda clone as some would like to make you think). Sucks that it is illegal but oh well...
There's a difference between creating a fan game and downloading one, and a fan game is not the same as a pirated copy of a commercial game, if that's what you're worried about. I know of nobody who ended up in jail or even just had to pay a fine because they downloaded and played a fan game. ;)

I think the worst that can happen is that the game will be discontinued / the download removed and if there are any other consequences at all, they will only affect the creators, not you. I would be very surprised if someone would claim you did something criminal, or even just illegal, by playing fan games.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by Leroux
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Gremmi: May I recommend Dink Smallwood? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dink_Smallwood
Already have it... It doesn't really feel like a zelda game either. It is more of a hack n' slash RPG to me. There are not really any dungeons or puzzle solving which is a major part of the zelda experience (at least to me). Ot isn't a bad game or anything, just not the type of game that I am looking for. Thanks nevertheless.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by Roberttitus
As some one stated, some fan games have been canned because the right holders wanted it. But then again, there's fan games, that have been made with a special license, like the King's Quest and Quest For Glory 2 remakes from AGD interactive.

And I do believe, that both Ultima 6 and 5 projects had a fan license as well, but if they hadn't no on stopped them, despite EA did stop one remake of Ultima 1 on its tracks.
Most of those games are basically from beginning to the end a work of the fan/fans (this excludes situation when someone "borrows" graphics").

Using someone else's character is not something unknown to the "art". It may be a copyright issue, or it may be not, depends on how original the fan game/book/movie is, or the way that character is used (as a main character or just a small part of the game)

In many cases it's not the copyright issue, but trademark issue.
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Gremmi: otherwise someone just drawing a picture of an existing character would be an illegal act. However copyright holders still have the right to stop large fan projects on the grounds that it could be confused with official releases.
It is because copyrights protect the expression of the idea, not the idea itself.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by SLP2000
There's the ancient Zelda Classic which is an Allegro-based remake of the original game (which is the shady part, even with the "Copyright Nintendo" label; Making a sprite-for-sprite, tile-for-tile remake of a game, even in a different programming language and not for any money is technically stealing, although with the new "Games are art" laws, it comes down to a judge's interpretation of semantics; art students paint copies of famous masterpieces all the time). Then there's a LttP "open" remake called "Open Legends of Zelda".

Both of these have a pretty big database of custom quests, some with new tilesets, sprites, sound and/or music. This is as "Zelda-like" as you can get without actually being an official Zelda game. And of course there's always romhacks.
Whatever happened to that 2D remake of Ocarina of Time? Can't seem to find anything on it past about 2007 or so...I presume that means it's dead.
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Gremmi: Whatever happened to that 2D remake of Ocarina of Time? Can't seem to find anything on it past about 2007 or so...I presume that means it's dead.
I've been waiting on a "16-bit" style remake of Adventures of Link that some group was making some ten years ago. Hell, the folks who remade Lionheart (the Thalion game, not the RPG here on GOG; Thalion even endorsed the remake, in this instance) got their shit done faster than that.
Post edited July 07, 2011 by predcon
http://www.blackmesasource.com/

I'll repeat... Black Mesa: Source its a complete level for level sound graphic song and action remake of Half-Life 1 and Valve is so excited for it i heard one of the devs went under a pseudonym to help them.

Its also in dev hell for 3-4 years now maybe longer...
Post edited July 07, 2011 by Starkrun
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Ubivis: It is absolutely illegal to use the IP of someone else without his permission, and even worse if you use the original graphics.
That is absolutely incorrect.
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Ubivis: It is absolutely illegal to use the IP of someone else without his permission, and even worse if you use the original graphics.
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FraterPerdurabo: That is absolutely incorrect.
No, it isn't... from the legal point, you are not allowed to use the IP of someone else without his permission. And to use original content for your own work is piracy, if you have no agreement with the owner of that work, that you can use it.

If you are so sure, that I am incorrect, proof it!
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Ubivis: It is absolutely illegal to use the IP of someone else without his permission, and even worse if you use the original graphics.
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FraterPerdurabo: That is absolutely incorrect.
It's incorrect only when you can prove "fair use". Creating a new game from somebody else's IP is almost certainly not fair use. Just ask the bozos who put out "Limbo of the Lost", if you can find them.
Fan Games are often tolerated by the IP holder, but they are still illegal.

Without permission, there is no way that it is legal at all.
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Gremmi: Fan games aren't defacto illegal because they're not commercial works, otherwise someone just drawing a picture of an existing character would be an illegal act. However copyright holders still have the right to stop large fan projects on the grounds that it could be confused with official releases.
Not exactly true. All unauthorized use of an IP is technically a violation of copyright law;whether or not the unauthroized user charges for his work is legally irrevelent.
In reality, a lot of companies will allow free mods, but will take action against people charging money on the IMHO, quite proper grounds that is somebody is making money from your IP you have a right to a cut of the money.
I can't understand why these IP holder people would be against fan games.
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