FWIW, it's on Gamersgate and supposedly uncensored...but it has SecuROM.

http://www.gamersgate.com/DD-MANHUNT2/manhunt-2

Didn't know that. I thought the PC version isn't distributed anymore.

And when I click the link it says: This title is not available in your country.

So I guess it's North America-only, just like it was on D2D.

I lied. This might have some entertainment value too.

http://www.amazon.com/BoneCraft-Pc/dp/B00AEWNBS2/ref=pd_sim_sbs_vg_1

I'd totally play that :)

It has a prequel: Bonetown. Well, not exactly a prequel, but the first game in the series is Bonetown.

http://www.amazon.com/BoneTown-Action-Adventure-Adult-Video-Pc/dp/B003V5FYIY/ref=sr_1_1?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1358460999&sr=1-1&keywords=bonetown
Got them on an ultra-discount occasion (basically a friend exchanging them for another game I wasn't interested in anymore), haven't played them yet...

BoneCraft looks absolutely horrible haha. But it might have that "so bad it's funny" quality.

That's exactly what made me want to play it, actually... ^_^

What? Beneath this retailer? I, for instance, see sexual content as a better alternative than full-on gore and slaughterporn.

What the hell is wrong with sexual video games? If they are made well (IE. they are games), I see absolutely no reason for them to be "beneath this retailer".

Sexuality and sex is a natural part of human life. Violence is not. I'd rather have my character in video games to have sex with another than to tear its head apart. But that's just me.

I am not talking about games that have sexual content as a meaningful part of a story or whatever. I am taking about porn games, etc. I guess I could have been more clear about that. I could appreciate what you are talking about if such games existed but how many AAA titles or classics even have sexual scenes in them of any consequence never mind focus? So basically, that is a non-issue until those kinds of games are actually made. They are at the least, quite rare today.

I think I understand what you are saying. There is nothing wrong with human sexuality generally speaking but there is something wrong with mindless violence. On the other hand, you mention violence is not a natural part of human life. The sad truth is that it is. Human beings are violent, murderous, warring creatures and have been at least for as long as there has been recorded history. We are also fascinated by violence, living vicariously and quite violently through many very popular video games. You might not like that or play them but a huge number of people just love them.

So, does a majority equal "normal?" I guess that could be debated but I don't want to myself.

Games where the focus is on sex is something a lot of the world isn't ready for even if tastefully done. You might be ready for that but a lot of people are not. As such, it behooves a retailer to play it safe and avoid potentially negative publicity over products that would not produce enough revenue to offset that negative publicity.

And yes, video game porn is definitely beneath GOG. That was what I meant to say but was not clear enough about perhaps. Even discussing porn opens up an entire can of worms about whether it is itself okay for many people. For example, does porn demean women typically? Is that okay? I don't think it is okay personally but again, this stuff could be debated at great length and I don't want to go there. I'm just saying if nothing else, carrying the stuff is too controversial at this time for any retailer that wants to retain a respectable public image to the general public, i.e., the majority of its customers.

Your point is well taken though. It is a crazy world in which we live when human sexuality in games is taboo but endless graphic violence is just fine.

First of all, I must apologize to you if my post looked offensive, I didn't mean that. Just making sure :)

And yeah, you speak well. But I do hope that the world will be ready for such games, as it is, in my opinion, a much better way to go than just kill people in games.

And yeah, we live in a crazy world...

Oh, no. It was not offensive at all. I think you made an excellent point there.

It is funny how civilized we like to think we are and yet to consider how far we have still to go.

Have you played Sanitarium? That's always struck me as a remarkably mature game. It seems to be targeted at an adult audience, and as you say, not because of extreme violence or sexual content, but because of a deep engaging story which deals with psychology and the subconscious mind.

The problem with AO content is that the way the rating system is set up, as soon as you hit an AO rating, you've confined your game to a niche market. Since the niche market won't be satisfied with just a little AO content, you may as well go all the way. That's the reason the only games containing explicit sex scenes are crappy porn games. You mentioned Mass Effect, and you can be damned sure EA wouldn't cut itself off from selling those games to all the teenagers in the world. Conversely, if it had received an AO rating, people would expect it to contain a lot more sex than it actually did.

The thing is though, that the adult market isn't actually a niche market anymore. Or rather, it is, but only because the industry has made it so. According to a recent study by the ESA, the average gamer is 30 years old. This means that the target demographic for AO games, from a strict viewpoint of age, is far more than half the total market. That's hardly a niche anymore. But for some reason, the industry still thinks of sales in terms of teenagers, even though their parents probably buy far more games than they do.

A few interesting points from that study:
- The average age of a frequent game buyer is 35
- Women 18 or older represent a significantly greater portion of the game-playing population (30%) than boys age 17 or younger (18%)
- Adult gamers have been playing for an average of 14 years; males average 16 years of game play, females average 12 years

I always wondered: if some videogame company made an RPG based on the world of Richard Corben's "Den" comics, what rating it would get. Would the ESRB tear it to shreds before it gets a chance? The Den saga was pretty much nudity on every page, and yet the story never lapsed into pornography (even though it had a bit of sex, penetration was always "off camera"). It was more like the nudity seen in the Barsoom novels by Edgar Rice Burroughs.

I wouldn't be opposed to more AO games being on gog, provided that the game isn't just gratuitous porn or gorn. I think that sex can be a contribution to the story just as much as violence can; the important thing is the writing.