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Posted May 27, 2014
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I've recently seen a news report on the shooter at the university, and it mentioned that he played long hours of world of warcraft, with an anchor saying that this lets them become that person. Previously, I also heard a smattering of a report that had a reporter blame the movie Neighbors. Knowing that this industry gets some slack whenever this happens, i want to say the following:

1. Videogames are not tools of evil. Some of them are bad, offensive even, but they are not a call to arms.

2. Check your kids. If someone is not right in some area, you NEED to get help for them. This kid should not have been in the school, if anybody knew about his condition. If anybody did, that brings up whole other issues.

3. Be a parent. If your child is constantly playing things, or looking at things he shouldn't be, than get him the "bleep" off the "bleeping" stuff and disicpline him. If he's playing an awful, gore-ridden game which you did not know about or watching an awful movie, if he has an issue with authority, if he has no respect, stick up for yourself and lay down the freaking rules. If your child has an issue, find help for him.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by LesterKnight99
Posted May 27, 2014
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A narcissistic, competitive and high-stress culture.

Free and easy access to guns.

Lack of any mental health awareness or care for those without significant money, insurance and patience.

A sex-obsessed, competition praising and vacant media system.

There ya go.
Posted May 27, 2014
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StingingVelvet: A narcissistic, competitive and high-stress culture.

Free and easy access to guns.

Lack of any mental health awareness or care for those without significant money, insurance and patience.

A sex-obsessed, competition praising and vacant media system.

There ya go.
"sigh" To quote batman "is that really justice?"
Posted May 27, 2014
Blaming a really crappy John Belushi film? Odd...
Posted May 27, 2014
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StingingVelvet: A narcissistic, competitive and high-stress culture.

Free and easy access to guns.

Lack of any mental health awareness or care for those without significant money, insurance and patience.

A sex-obsessed, competition praising and vacant media system.

There ya go.
I agree with most of this post. If he didn't have easy access to guns, he would of just used knives, baseball bats or worse. So I don't think easy access to guns lead to what happened. The NRA has nothing to do with this.

I have another thing to add to the list.

Parents who didn't really listen and help...
Post edited May 27, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted May 27, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I agree with most of this post. If he didn't have easy access to guns, he would of just used knives, baseball bats or worse.
Yeah but guns make it worse. I am not a big anti-gun guy at all, and even if I were I think that ship sailed in America long ago, you can't get 'em back. I would be good with more restrictions though. He was obviously mentally ill and even had the cops respond to a threat call but no one took his guns away, etc. etc.
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monkeydelarge: I have another thing to add to the list.

Parents who didn't really listen and help...
Yeah. Seems like they knew there was a problem but largely ignored it. That ties into mental health awareness. People don't want to confront it or deal with it, or think it's the other person's problem alone. Nothing good comes from that.
Posted May 27, 2014
The reporters get more attention if they make stupid comments. So you can't take the news stations/papers/etc. seriously and have to interpret the content with your own noggin.

No one thinks that the people around them can flip and do something like this, which is why you need to be aware of everything everyone you know is involved in and how that affects them. The teeth gritters are more likely candidates than the ones who let it all out. And if you just put people down when they fail or reinforce a negative impression of them that they also hold, you can expect disastrous results in all walks of life.
Posted May 27, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I agree with most of this post. If he didn't have easy access to guns, he would of just used knives, baseball bats or worse.
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StingingVelvet: Yeah but guns make it worse. I am not a big anti-gun guy at all, and even if I were I think that ship sailed in America long ago, you can't get 'em back. I would be good with more restrictions though. He was obviously mentally ill and even had the cops respond to a threat call but no one took his guns away, etc. etc.
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monkeydelarge: I have another thing to add to the list.

Parents who didn't really listen and help...
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StingingVelvet: Yeah. Seems like they knew there was a problem but largely ignored it. That ties into mental health awareness. People don't want to confront it or deal with it, or think it's the other person's problem alone. Nothing good comes from that.
Do guns make it worse? I think if he didn't have guns, then he would of been more cautious...more serial killer like. He probably would of used the same tactics Jeffrey Dahmer and Richard Ramirez used.
Posted May 27, 2014
From what I gathered by reading details and watching his warning video, the guy was a narcissist who loved to be dramatic. The only blame that can be placed somewhere other than him imo is the blame of failing to take actions to stop him when he had given warnings and behavioral clues leading up to the mess.
Posted May 27, 2014
Wherever you find groups or populations of disarmed people, there will be the potential for massacre. Wherever you find groups or populations of armed people, there you will find many incidents and accidents but never a massacre. And as much as i do like the thought of some murder rampage idiot getting his head shot off immediately after his first victim, at the end of the day, when you tally the overall death tole, the armed population will always be the biggest looser.
Posted May 27, 2014
Did someone blame World of Warcraft for this? Ridiculous, if anything that was an escape for him that prevented this from happening sooner.

The guy was mentally ill, he seemed to have everything, yet he had self esteem issues, possibly sourcing back to his parents, or peers or something. Not sure though, as I don't think we have full details on all of that.

People are a product of their environment, not their entertainment.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by djdarko
Posted May 27, 2014
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StingingVelvet: A narcissistic, competitive and high-stress culture.

Free and easy access to guns.

Lack of any mental health awareness or care for those without significant money, insurance and patience.

A sex-obsessed, competition praising and vacant media system.

There ya go.
I got news for you:

First of which, three fatality victims were stabbed to death, not shot. Several others were injured from automobile. Also, California is the most authoritarian state when it comes to gun rights and the incident was at a "gun free zone." Quit blaming guns especially since the US got safer as private gun sales legally increased. Also, if I want a gun but can't get one legally, Obama has me covered since he armed the drug cartels of Mexico with a deliberately botched gun-tracking operation and gave weapons to Syrian Islamic terrorists.

Second of which, that psychopath was on psychiatric medicines. They made him worse, not better.

Also, the criminal was a leftist, a registered Democrat, and watches a George Soros-funded propaganda show called "The Young Turks." Every big time murderer in the past decade as well as Lee Harvey Oswald were left wing extremists. Personally, instead of creating blood libel against the NRA (greatest individual rights advocacy group ever) or gun rights advocates in a general sense, I suggest putting leftists under proper control.

My proposal: re-evaluate these psychiatric medicines and put leftists under close watch. They would have me fingerprinted and registered if I owned a gun even if it was just a bolt-action rifle so I suggest having all leftists fingerprinted and registered and having tracking devices shoved up their Marxian asses so that we know where to find them if one of them does some horrible shit again.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by infinite9
Posted May 27, 2014
If you look at a number of the mass shooting in the US, they can be attributed to mental health issues. Either they didn't get the help they needed, or people played ostrich. Due to the horrors that happened in our past (mental health institutions) and the stigmitism mental health issues have, it is no wonder people can't or wont get the help they need. I keep hoping that the current shooting in the news will help people wake up and realize it's not guns, or violent movies/games/etc, but a culture of denial and ostracism when it comes to mental well being that causes some of these horrible things to happen.

Furthermore, we need a better system in place that allows people who need to be on antipsychotics and other mood stabilizers to stay on their meds. Some of the shootings (Gifford, Batman movie) can be attributed to schizophrenics who were showing signs of extreme psychosis. Also, if it is necessary, a court order for those that refuse to take their meds. The libertarian in me hates this idea though. Dunno.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by Crewdroog
Posted May 27, 2014
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mystikmind2000: Wherever you find groups or populations of disarmed people, there will be the potential for massacre. Wherever you find groups or populations of armed people, there you will find many incidents and accidents but never a massacre. And as much as i do like the thought of some murder rampage idiot getting his head shot off immediately after his first victim, at the end of the day, when you tally the overall death tole, the armed population will always be the biggest looser.
Says the person whose country has a higher rate of rape than the US. Mind explaining why Switzerland has a lower violent crime rate than the UK? Let me remind you, Switzerland's government arms it's people with rifles and handguns while the UK government let's armed criminals prey upon its citizens. The Russian Federation also has less guns per capita than the US yet it has a higher murder rate.

The armed population is better than an unarmed one. It is the true winner despite what leftists claim especially left wing politicians who have well armed bodyguards and command well armed public sector thugs.

Oh by the way. Every time a criminal gets shot, it counts as an incident regardless of context. Just saying.

By the way,

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1888288,00.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-30/police-investigate-bikie-links-to-shootings/4988238
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-05/tradie-charged-over-homemade-guns-for-gang/4111600

Shit is still happening in your country despite its fascist gun bans.
Post edited May 27, 2014 by infinite9
Posted May 27, 2014
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I'm not sure I even want to get into this, but in doing so it is with the conveyed understanding that I know nothing, and disagree with almost everything.

Shit happens. It always has, and it always will.

It isn't guns, knives, rocks, or anything else that is inanimate.

No "proactive" bullshit does anything but exacerbate the problem.

Parents don't parent, kids don't learn, then everyone lights candles and scratches their asses over what went wrong.

Instead of acting like you're playing a role in Hollywood, be a mom or a dad for Christ's sake, and teach something; you're not too f'n busy for that, are you?

Instead of teaching, and disciplining when necessary, we medicate them, lie to them, and tell them the work that they put no effort into is a masterpiece. Do you think that they don't see this?

Likewise, a child does something great, but this must be flippantly acknowledged as otherwise the half asses who didn't even try might actually feel like they need to do more.

The list goes on and on.

Ignorant adults who can, or will, not accept responsibility come up with "zero tolerance" ideas, so they can sit back on their lazy asses, lest they be called upon to make a judgement that requires common sense.

Bottle junior up for 18 years, through the tumult of adolescence, and see if he doesn't just pop.

Maybe the candy armed fighting in the schoolyard isn't so bad after all, is it?

Edit, punctuation
Post edited May 28, 2014 by Dischord
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