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Posted April 17, 2012
Oh my god, I wonder when that atitude "I made one game I want to be rich now" stops.

Usually it takes YEARS until you start earning good amounts of money not only used to extend the company, but to live a good life.

People who expect immediate profits after releasing one title are insane.

Ps. Waves isn't even good enough game to start considering why it hasn't given him millions.
And it's just shoot-em-up game, everybody's already tired about. Also, the game that could interest people in only 2 hours is not worth a full price. Hell, I don't know if it's worth $5 even.
Post edited April 17, 2012 by keeveek
Posted April 17, 2012
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CaptainGyro: Why do you need to keep how many hours you've played hidden from steam?
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Crosmando: Why do you answer questions with questions?
Because the first question I have no answer for because I don't know, and the second one was a rhetorical question.

OK now answer mine.
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: Why do you answer questions with questions?
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CaptainGyro: Because the first question I have no answer for because I don't know, and the second one was a rhetorical question.

OK now answer mine.
Would you like it if the manufacturers of ovens or microwaves installed devices which relayed back to them the times of how long (on average) their customers used their products, and how often, for statistical purposes?

The fact that I care, or don't care, or if anyone cares or not, is irrelevant, it's the basic principle, that your personal life is nothing but data mining for big corporations.

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keeveek: Oh my god, I wonder when that atitude "I made one game I want to be rich now" stops.
It's almost (dare I say it) an "entitlement complex".

Also, I love how he matter-of-factly states that his game is "best-in-breed", as if this is absolute truth (even funnier considering he's the author, and no author can be unbiased about his own work).
Post edited April 17, 2012 by Crosmando
Posted April 17, 2012
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keeveek: Oh my god, I wonder when that atitude "I made one game I want to be rich now" stops.

Usually it takes YEARS until you start earning good amounts of money not only used to extend the company, but to live a good life.
I would even go as far and say that without Steam and the bundles he wouldn't even have sold 238 copies. Let alone 15283. Does he know how he would have done 10 years ago?
Posted April 17, 2012
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CaptainGyro: Because the first question I have no answer for because I don't know, and the second one was a rhetorical question.

OK now answer mine.
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Crosmando: Would you like it if the manufacturers of ovens or microwaves installed devices which relayed back to them the times of how long (on average) their customers used their products, and how often, for statistical purposes?

The fact that I care, or don't care, or if anyone cares or not, is irrelevant, it's the basic principle, that your personal life is nothing but data mining for big corporations.
Would I like it? As in actually thinking " Whee they are monitoring my oven usage ! Fuck yeah! " No, of course not, because there is no noticeable enjoyment to be derived from it. Would I say I felt "violated? though? No, because I see no reason to hide that info .Watch.


I used my oven for 25 minutes today.
Post edited April 17, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: Would you like it if the manufacturers of ovens or microwaves installed devices which relayed back to them the times of how long (on average) their customers used their products, and how often, for statistical purposes?

The fact that I care, or don't care, or if anyone cares or not, is irrelevant, it's the basic principle, that your personal life is nothing but data mining for big corporations.
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CaptainGyro: Would I like it? As in actually thinking " Whee they are monitoring my oven usage ! Fuck yeah! " No, of course not, because there is no noticeable enjoyment to be derived from it. Would I say I felt "violated? though? No, because I see no reason to hide that info .Watch.


I used my oven for 25 minutes today.
Right, well that is the very essence of being unprincipled, I would say. Just because something doesn't directly effect you negatively, that doesn't make it right, it's just benign.

And how do you come up with the word "hide", as if that information is the property of someone else. I'd rather not live in a "If you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide" type of society, maybe you are fine with it.
Post edited April 17, 2012 by Crosmando
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: And how do you come up with the word "hide",
From reading dictionaries?
Hide just means to prevent something from being seen. I don't know what you're talking about with the " as if that information belonged to anybody else" comment
Post edited April 17, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: And how do you come up with the word "hide",
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CaptainGyro: From reading dictionaries?
Playing games (or cooking for that matter) is a completely legal act, in this context performed within my own personal residence.

In what universe does not wanting the exact times and details of my private activities handed over to corporations, count as "hiding".

I'll ask you a question, what right does a private company have to this information in the first place?
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: I'll ask you a question, what right does a private company have to this information in the first place?
Remember that SSA you read. It was in there.

They also explain it here again

http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html

Google and Facebook are worse. But that is just part of the interet.
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: I'll ask you a question, what right does a private company have to this information in the first place?
You use their service. I think every company keeps track of how much their service is used.
Posted April 17, 2012
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CaptainGyro: From reading dictionaries?
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Crosmando: Playing games (or cooking for that matter) is a completely legal act, in this context performed within my own personal residence.

In what universe does not wanting the exact times and details of my private activities handed over to corporations, count as "hiding".
In what universe does "prevent from being seen or discovered" not count as a definition of hiding? I said I have no reason to hide that info, I really don't know why you're nitpicking over that word
Post edited April 17, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: Playing games (or cooking for that matter) is a completely legal act, in this context performed within my own personal residence.

In what universe does not wanting the exact times and details of my private activities handed over to corporations, count as "hiding".
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CaptainGyro: In what universe does "prevent from being seen or discovered" not count as a definition of hiding? I said I have no reason to hide that info, I really don't know why you're nitpicking over that word
It's a curious choice of a word though.

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Crosmando: I'll ask you a question, what right does a private company have to this information in the first place?
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thebum06: You use their service. I think every company keeps track of how much their service is used.
Sure, I'm just saying that I think it's immoral, and in an ideal world laws would exist against that type of activity.
Posted April 17, 2012
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CaptainGyro: In what universe does "prevent from being seen or discovered" not count as a definition of hiding? I said I have no reason to hide that info, I really don't know why you're nitpicking over that word
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Crosmando: It's a curious choice of a word though.
No, it really isn't. It's a completely appropriate choice of words. I'll re-write my sentence here, without using hide:

"No, because I see no reason to prevent that info from being seen or discovered".
Post edited April 17, 2012 by CaptainGyro
Posted April 17, 2012
Immoral, lol.

FYI - you agreed to steam ToS and Privacy Policy, where they stated clearly, they will gather data about you.

Also, a lots of people, including me, want to know how much time they spent on a game. It's a great feature. I can easily see which games were the best buy for me, it may even make easier future purchases.

For example, now I know that I played Football Manager over 70 hours, and I'm far from even start getting bored by it.

I know I will buy FM2013 and have more great time with it.
Posted April 17, 2012
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Crosmando: Yes but why isn't that just for the eyes of the user themselves? Where is the basic concept of privacy?
Basis concept of privacy? It's a social client. If you don't want to use social features, edit your profile settings and set your profile status to Private. There, 'basis concept' secured.

Not to mention that these statistics since the invention of them have generally been viewed by gamers as a 'feature'. Not a violation of privacy.
Post edited April 17, 2012 by Pheace
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