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Posted May 25, 2013
Don't forget that Cinemaware, creators of games such as It Came From The Desert and Wings, are in discussions with GOG about bringing their back catalog here.

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/cinemaware_wants_their_classic_games_on_gog/post55
Post edited May 25, 2013 by Barry_Woodward
Posted May 25, 2013
I see two possible income streams here for GOG:

1. (better) Amiga versions of existing PC games

Given GOGs policy on Mac games - buy it once play it on either platform - this would be a trickle rather than a flood. It would depend on customers knowing that the Amiga version is better and therefore choosing to buy a game they would otherwise have passed on.

2. Amiga games that were never available on the PC

How many are there? I have no idea. This might get topped up with a few where they can get their hands on the Amiga version but not the PC version.

The big question is if this level of income would be enough to cover the effort involved. Of course GOG are gaming enthusiasts too, so that could tip the scales.
Posted May 25, 2013
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timppu: Are the Raiden Legacy games sold on GOG original PC versions, or are there also some emulated console or arcade versions there too?
Nope, They are "rom" dumps from original arcade machines, but in their own format. The Application that DotEMU has created is loosly based on MAME. (as their is certain mame only code visible, one of the mame devs already had a look at it)
Posted May 25, 2013
But as much I would like it to happen, I do not see how.

1- It is fine with DosBox, as it can be distributed free with each game. Adding AF with each game would drive the price on them up.

2 - Are gog to sell the emulator and the games separately to keep cost down? The why not just get the lot from Cloanto and support their work instead, you also get a lot of the games.

3 - What about existing GOG games like Superfrog, it would be silly to have Amiga games here and not provide the superior versions for existing games. What about cost? GIving away AF versions like with Mac or will we then need to buy two versions? Or just add the amiga disk image without emulator, if the later - why not just download the disk image elsewhere? (many are freely and legally distributed)

and more problems as I can think of them... basically I see it as a lot of hassle for gog for very little return. I do not think it will happen. I think you will most likely see Linux and Unix support on gog before you see Amiga games.

Which is a shame (not unix/linux support, but the small chance of Amiga games)
Posted May 25, 2013
Definitely seems like an interesting idea; I feel like GOG have said no to other computer platforms before (Amiga, C64, Apple II, etc...), right?
Posted May 25, 2013
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te_lanus: Nope, They are "rom" dumps from original arcade machines, but in their own format. The Application that DotEMU has created is loosly based on MAME. (as their is certain mame only code visible, one of the mame devs already had a look at it)
Were the MAME team actually aware of that? Because that could put a stopper on things, as the use of MAME source code for commercial purposes is not permitted.
Posted May 25, 2013
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jamyskis: Were the MAME team actually aware of that? Because that could put a stopper on things, as the use of MAME source code for commercial purposes is not permitted.
I don't know that they were aware of it before hand, but it's not the First Commercial Emu that uses mame source code, or so I read
Posted May 25, 2013
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amok: 1- It is fine with DosBox, as it can be distributed free with each game. Adding AF with each game would drive the price on them up.
Depends on how much Cloanto demands per licence. I can't imagine Cloanto being in much of a position to demand much, and I find it very hard to believe that many people are actually buying this package, as much as it would be the right thing to do.

It would make more commercial sense for them to siphon off a few cents of each Amiga title sold through GOG.
Posted May 25, 2013
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jamyskis: The problem is that Kickstart contains more than just boot code. It also handles the underlying OS interface. If you run Workbench 1.3 on an A1200, for example, you'll see the traditional Kickstart 3.0/3.1 interface in the garish 1.3 colours.

Calling it solely a bootstrap is misleading. It's essentially one half of the OS, its kernel.
Lotus Trilogy. No contest.

In fact, I'd be all for distributing CD32 games where one is available (anyone who's played the CD32 version of Fire and Ice will know what I mean). Would certainly make distribution easier instead of having to simulate disk swaps.
I don't think WinUAE emulator supports music from CD32 Amiga yet. I know for example that Liberation doesn't have music when playing through WinUA (though it does have sound effects).
Posted May 25, 2013
It would be nice to see the Cinemaware and Bitmap Bros Amiga games here...
Posted May 25, 2013
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amok: 1- It is fine with DosBox, as it can be distributed free with each game. Adding AF with each game would drive the price on them up.
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jamyskis: Depends on how much Cloanto demands per licence. I can't imagine Cloanto being in much of a position to demand much, and I find it very hard to believe that many people are actually buying this package, as much as it would be the right thing to do.

It would make more commercial sense for them to siphon off a few cents of each Amiga title sold through GOG.
I'm not sure, they have been pretty stingy with the roms so far. And they have been kept solvent, so somebody else then me have to have bought it also. Giving away the roms here for a few cents puts a serious dent in their existing business model.
Posted May 25, 2013
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timppu: Are the Raiden Legacy games sold on GOG original PC versions, or are there also some emulated console or arcade versions there too?
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te_lanus: Nope, They are "rom" dumps from original arcade machines, but in their own format. The Application that DotEMU has created is loosly based on MAME. (as their is certain mame only code visible, one of the mame devs already had a look at it)
Thanks, that's what I suspected, as I didn't think all the Raiden games in that package had native PC versions before.
Posted May 25, 2013
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HijacK: I never played on an Amiga , but I'm really interested in thier classics.
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timppu: Technically its games were close to e.g. Sega Megadrive or SNES games, but it had more of PC-like games too (CRPGs, flight sims, strategy, point&click adventure games..), but also console-like stuff like platform jumping games, shoot'em ups and such. It excelled mostly with 2D scrolling games.

The importance for me mostly is that Amiga had superior versions of many late 80s and early 90s PC games.
Nice! Even more reasons for them to bring those classics on gog. I'm sure the fanbase for the Amiga is pretty big around here.
Posted May 25, 2013
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HijacK: Nice! Even more reasons for them to bring those classics on gog. I'm sure the fanbase for the Amiga is pretty big around here.
That said, I agree also that bringing Amiga games to GOG might be somewhat tricky, for various reasons mentioned earlier in this discussion.
Posted May 25, 2013
There's also the DRM issue. Amiga Forever uses special WinUAE and Kickstarter dumps which require a license key to work.
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