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Posted May 25, 2013
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amok: *snip*
You, ninja, you! ;-p
Posted May 25, 2013
I never played on an Amiga , but I'm really interested in thier classics.
Posted May 25, 2013
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Psyringe: I just checked the site of Amiga Forever, and they _are_ distributing the Kickstarter ROMs and the Workbench software already, so perhaps they did obtain the respective license and my info is outdated.
Cloanto (aka Amiga Forever) have held a licence to distribute Kickstart and Workbench since the mid-90s.

Cloanto was actually previously famous for some great image processing software on the Amiga, although I forget what it was called.
Post edited May 25, 2013 by jamyskis
Posted May 25, 2013
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Psyringe: AFAIK the Amiga's operating system is _not_ free, which is one of the biggest hurdles in reviving those classics.
Yes it's not free. But a huge part of the games can be run from their floppies, and don't need the OS, they only need the Kickstarter roms
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Psyringe: The emulator is free, several games _might_ be free (there's still the question how well that would hold up if an affected party contested it),
a lot is. Especailly on BTTR, where according to their about page:
we have the limited, non exclusive right to post commercial titles of currently 93 Companies and 6 Coders on this site, who all reserve the right to revoke that permission at any time for any reason by any means.
doubt they will contest someone they granted a non exclusive right to, also places like Team 17 won't sue Team 17 because Team 17 is hosting Team 17's copyrighted material.

Dos is one of the Few Old Computer based systems where there is "no real freeware" releases happening of old software, a lot of the other computer based has.
Posted May 25, 2013
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te_lanus: Yes it's not free. But a huge part of the games can be run from their floppies, and don't need the OS, they only need the Kickstarter roms
Kickstart IS the OS, or at least the kernel.
Posted May 25, 2013
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keeveek: So, how did people from Amiga Forever obtain publisher rights to Amiga titles?

edit: oh, it's the emulator. So yeah, that would be nice. But it's just one step on a long way to trying to find who on earth has rights to these super old games and sell them. Effort might not be worth of possible sales.
Why it wouldn´t be possible?
Why the companies who licensed their old PC games to be sold on GOG can´t do the same with their Amiga versions?
Why the average GOG user wouldn´t like to buy far superior versions of old school games?
Posted May 25, 2013
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te_lanus: Yes it's not free. But a huge part of the games can be run from their floppies, and don't need the OS, they only need the Kickstarter roms
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jamyskis: Kickstart IS the OS, or at least the kernel.
I Have it more the Bios files, Amiga Os is the Workbench.

From Wikipedia:
Kickstart is the bootstrap firmware, usually stored in ROM. Kickstart contains the code needed to boot standard Amiga hardware
Posted May 25, 2013
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Psyringe: I just checked the site of Amiga Forever, and they _are_ distributing the Kickstarter ROMs and the Workbench software already, so perhaps they did obtain the respective license and my info is outdated.
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jamyskis: Cloanto (aka Amiga Forever) have held a licence to distribute Kickstart and Workbench since the mid-90s.
I stand corrected then - thanks for putting it right.

And I'm happy to have been wrong, since the real situation looks much brighter than the one I (mis)remembered. ;)
Posted May 25, 2013
And who is the current owner of Kickstart?

It would be really cool to see the Amiga and other systems other than PC here on GOG. I'm really craving for C64.
Posted May 25, 2013
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Psyringe: AFAIK the Amiga's operating system is _not_ free,
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keeveek: But isn't it the same deal as with DosBox? Emulating the system without using any of the original assets?
FALSE
It uses the original ROM, so it´s licensed software.
WinUAE would be the "free" product, and then you need to download illegally the original ROM or transfer it from your Amiga computer
Post edited May 25, 2013 by tejozaszaszas
Posted May 25, 2013
Wouldn't mind seeing these games on GOG:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Trilogy

Especially since Ambermoon itself never even saw an English release, the translation was finished just as the company was closed. Excellent cRPG's too.

Also:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate:_Gates_of_Dawn]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fate:_Gates_of_Dawn[/url]
Only a few English copies ever were sold.

And finally:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation:_Captive_2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation:_Captive_2[/url]

Can't think of any other Amiga games I'd particularly like to see here, though I'm talking of "big" games that people would actually buy.
Posted May 25, 2013
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te_lanus: I Have it more the Bios files, Amiga Os is the Workbench.

From Wikipedia:
Kickstart is the bootstrap firmware, usually stored in ROM. Kickstart contains the code needed to boot standard Amiga hardware
The problem is that Kickstart contains more than just boot code. It also handles the underlying OS interface. If you run Workbench 1.3 on an A1200, for example, you'll see the traditional Kickstart 3.0/3.1 interface in the garish 1.3 colours.

Calling it solely a bootstrap is misleading. It's essentially one half of the OS, its kernel.
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Crosmando: Can't think of any other Amiga games I'd particularly like to see here, though I'm talking of "big" games that people would actually buy.
Lotus Trilogy. No contest.

In fact, I'd be all for distributing CD32 games where one is available (anyone who's played the CD32 version of Fire and Ice will know what I mean). Would certainly make distribution easier instead of having to simulate disk swaps.
Post edited May 25, 2013 by jamyskis
Posted May 25, 2013
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HijacK: I never played on an Amiga , but I'm really interested in thier classics.
Technically its games were close to e.g. Sega Megadrive or SNES games, but it had more of PC-like games too (CRPGs, flight sims, strategy, point&click adventure games..), but also console-like stuff like platform jumping games, shoot'em ups and such. It excelled mostly with 2D scrolling games.

The importance for me mostly is that Amiga had superior versions of many late 80s and early 90s PC games.
Posted May 25, 2013
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park_84: And who is the current owner of Kickstart?

It would be really cool to see the Amiga and other systems other than PC here on GOG. I'm really craving for C64.
Amiga Forever is currently the only Legal way to obtain the Kickstarter roms

For c64 there is a free version available here: http://www.c64forever.com/

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jamyskis: Lotus Trilogy. No contest.
that would be free at BTTR :D
Post edited May 25, 2013 by te_lanus
Posted May 25, 2013
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F4LL0UT: Anyway, I fully support the idea of GOG providing Amiga games. Amiga games would fit in perfectly, much more than any console games.
Why no console games then? I think DotEmu sells them too. To me Amiga (gaming) was always something between PC and console gaming anyway.

Are the Raiden Legacy games sold on GOG original PC versions, or are there also some emulated console or arcade versions there too?
Post edited May 25, 2013 by timppu
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