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Recent increase in war themed movies on Russian television went almost unnoticed. Most of them are about World War II and how Soviet Army honorably fought against Nazi (and its allies) enemy commanded by non other than Hitler.

So I asked myself a question. In what cases government decides to show movies about war. Hmm, so it seems...

Today I read a news article that our president made some insinuations about Hitler analogy.

I don't get Germany. Today they are diplomatic, but tomorrow they kinda hate us, really hard.

I can't understand Netherlands. Why can't you public your official report about Boeing crush. If it's us - say it. If not - say it.

These economic sanctions. Come on we all played Civilization IV, it's bad for market and leads to war.

I don't want war! But every country in the whole world choose that option! Why???
Post edited December 05, 2014 by Cadaver747
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Economic sanctions may be bad, but they are actually an attempt at avoiding war. How does one country coerce another to change it's behavior? Armed conflict is one way. Economic pressure is another. Both are harsh, but your experience in video games aside, economic pressure is less dangerous.

Hang in there. The whole world teeters on the brink of war most of the time. But most people want peace, for selfish reasons, for religious reasons, for economic reasons, for comfort... Hang in there.
Most people in the Netherlands are pretty upset with the Boeing situation as well, and there's a lot of criticism on the way it's being handled. Still, I can understand the government being careful. Try to put yourself into their position: whatever side they blame, they'll antagonize, which might lead to heightened tensions and eventually war. And we're feeling the effects of the economic sanctions as well - now that we can no longer export eg fruit/vegetables to Russia, we're left with a surplus that won't sell.

So yes, the situation is stupid, but unfortunately, that appears to be the way the world works. Political unrest is so common these days.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by FearfulSymmetry
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misteryo: Economic sanctions may be bad, but they are actually an attempt at avoiding war. How does one country coerce another to change it's behavior? Armed conflict is one way. Economic pressure is another. Both are harsh, but your experience in video games aside, economic pressure is less dangerous.

Hang in there. The whole world teeters on the brink of war most of the time. But most people want peace, for selfish reasons, for religious reasons, for economic reasons, for comfort... Hang in there.
Mmmh no, they are not, basically sanctions weaken the economic foothold in a country and unrest against the existing government is likely. They are more a preparation, before ...and the big companies do trade as before, even in WW2 Ford, IBM and some petrol company (I forgot the name of the company) did still business with Germany, Coca Cola even invented Fanta for the Germans as Coca Cola was not really popular at that time anymore in Germany.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by MaGo72
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FearfulSymmetry: Most people in the Netherlands are pretty upset with the Boeing situation as well, and there's a lot of criticism on the way it's being handled. Still, I can understand the government being careful. Try to put yourself into their position: whatever side they blame, they'll antagonize, which might lead to heightened tensions and eventually war. And we're feeling the effects of the economic sanctions as well - now that we can no longer export eg fruit/vegetables to Russia, we're left with a surplus that won't sell.

So yes, the situation is stupid, but unfortunately, that appears to be the way the world works. Political unrest is so common these days.
But hiding this information they blaming all sides. Making matters only tense and worse. I can fully understand that if there were 100% proof that it's Russian fault it will be revealed on Day 1. This might come in handy dealing with political pressure.

But it's obviously not the case. So other countries strongly advise The Netherlands for *postpone* the publication.

Why? Do you need more time? For what? What is going on there?..
They're hard on propaganda everywhere.
illuminati pls
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FearfulSymmetry: Most people in the Netherlands are pretty upset with the Boeing situation as well, and there's a lot of criticism on the way it's being handled. Still, I can understand the government being careful. Try to put yourself into their position: whatever side they blame, they'll antagonize, which might lead to heightened tensions and eventually war. And we're feeling the effects of the economic sanctions as well - now that we can no longer export eg fruit/vegetables to Russia, we're left with a surplus that won't sell.

So yes, the situation is stupid, but unfortunately, that appears to be the way the world works. Political unrest is so common these days.
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Cadaver747: But hiding this information they blaming all sides. Making matters only tense and worse. I can fully understand that if there were 100% proof that it's Russian fault it will be revealed on Day 1. This might come in handy dealing with political pressure.

But it's obviously not the case. So other countries strongly advise The Netherlands for *postpone* the publication.

Why? Do you need more time? For what? What is going on there?..
There is an agreement of non-disclosure between several countries about the MH17 crash, it is likely we will never know what happenend.

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The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement”.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by MaGo72
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FearfulSymmetry: Most people in the Netherlands are pretty upset with the Boeing situation as well, and there's a lot of criticism on the way it's being handled. Still, I can understand the government being careful. Try to put yourself into their position: whatever side they blame, they'll antagonize, which might lead to heightened tensions and eventually war. And we're feeling the effects of the economic sanctions as well - now that we can no longer export eg fruit/vegetables to Russia, we're left with a surplus that won't sell.

So yes, the situation is stupid, but unfortunately, that appears to be the way the world works. Political unrest is so common these days.
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Cadaver747: But hiding this information they blaming all sides. Making matters only tense and worse. I can fully understand that if there were 100% proof that it's Russian fault it will be revealed on Day 1. This might come in handy dealing with political pressure.

But it's obviously not the case. So other countries strongly advise The Netherlands for *postpone* the publication.

Why? Do you need more time? For what? What is going on there?..
Who knows? We don't know either, and it's terribly frustrating. I can only imagine how much harder it must be for the people who actually lost loved ones. But yes, I wouldn't want my government to risk war or serious political tension either by acting too quickly.
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misteryo: Economic sanctions may be bad, but they are actually an attempt at avoiding war. How does one country coerce another to change it's behavior? Armed conflict is one way. Economic pressure is another. Both are harsh, but your experience in video games aside, economic pressure is less dangerous.

Hang in there. The whole world teeters on the brink of war most of the time. But most people want peace, for selfish reasons, for religious reasons, for economic reasons, for comfort... Hang in there.
Strange, I always thought that any limitation getting things worse and angers your opponents. It's a dirty game in global economic world.

For example. Let's just imagine that half the world initiates economic sanction against China.
Would the be piece in that reality?

But thank you. I really do hope the people will not pass the war option.
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OlivawR: They're hard on propaganda everywhere.
Yes, it's all propaganda here. News sources changed suddenly, many articles are politically oriented.

All we should know is that Russia equals good; USA - bad; Europe - not so good lately; Ukraine - 2 countries (Ukraine + Novorossia > some historic data was pulled to prove this point especially); Brazil - your meat is great, but why it's so expensive?; Belarus - we don't want to be friends...

I still don't get it
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misteryo: Economic sanctions may be bad, but they are actually an attempt at avoiding war. How does one country coerce another to change it's behavior? Armed conflict is one way. Economic pressure is another. Both are harsh, but your experience in video games aside, economic pressure is less dangerous.

Hang in there. The whole world teeters on the brink of war most of the time. But most people want peace, for selfish reasons, for religious reasons, for economic reasons, for comfort... Hang in there.
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MaGo72: Mmmh no, they are not, basically sanctions weaken the economic foothold in a country and unrest against the existing government is likely. They are more a preparation, before ...and the big companies do trade as before, even in WW2 Ford, IBM and some petrol company (I forgot the name of the company) did still business with Germany, Coca Cola even invented Fanta for the Germans as Coca Cola was not really popular at that time anymore in Germany.
According to our *source* economic sanction were invoked in order to weaken political prestige of current government elite. And provide a possible scenario for *peaceful* revolution from below.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by Cadaver747
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MaGo72: Coca Cola even invented Fanta for the Germans as Coca Cola was not really popular at that time anymore in Germany.
The Coca Cola Company invented Fanta after the war and the reason they did it was that resources were scarce in post-war Germany. They invented Fanta as an alternate soft-drink that consisted only of ingredients which were easily available even in post-war Germany.

Edit: Oh shit, I got only half of it right. You're actually correct, they invented it for Nazi Germany. My bad.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by F4LL0UT
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MaGo72: Coca Cola even invented Fanta for the Germans as Coca Cola was not really popular at that time anymore in Germany.
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F4LL0UT: The Coca Cola Company invented Fanta after the war and the reason they did it was that resources were scarce in post-war Germany. They invented Fanta as an alternate soft-drink that consisted only of ingredients which were easily available even in post-war Germany.

Edit: Oh shit, I got only half of it right. You're actually correct, they invented it for Nazi Germany. My bad.
Thanks for the correction, the piece I had it form mentioned it being produced during war time.


edit: ok, I was just about to get doubts about the source, because I watch/read quite a lot from that author.
Post edited December 05, 2014 by MaGo72
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CrunchyKevlar: illuminati pls
Even if there is such thing like Illuminati, Alien masterminds, Stone Mason order, it's definitely not the case.
Arms manufacturers contribute a lot of money to politicians, so whenever there is a choice, war is always a significant financial motivation, if that can be married with significant oil/gas deposits in the opposing country, the gravy train starts a rolling full speed.
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F4LL0UT: The Coca Cola Company invented Fanta after the war and the reason they did it was that resources were scarce in post-war Germany. They invented Fanta as an alternate soft-drink that consisted only of ingredients which were easily available even in post-war Germany.

Edit: Oh shit, I got only half of it right. You're actually correct, they invented it for Nazi Germany. My bad.
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MaGo72: Thanks for the correction, the piece I had it form mentioned it being produced during war time.

edit: ok, I was just about to get doubts about the source, because I watch/read quite a lot from that author.
Germany as a country have nothing to do with Nazi regime. It could have with any other country at that time. The war quickly escalated after economic difficulties.

Please remind me what was the country which actually make good money on that.

Obviously and stupid? Maybe, but effective. USA made itself a country number 1.

Any why? Oh no, it was a Great Depression just before that time. How convenient.

My point is that: no, I absolutely disagree that economic sanctions (or troubles) may lead to anything else than war. Even despite my expertise in FPS games (no relation to reality) I still think so.