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Posted May 03, 2010
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KingofGnG: I hate DRMs with all my heart.
But I have to say, if a company really has to use this kind of shit to not feel like it is being raped by bad, dirty pirates I could accept this....
Sega will just arrive second in releasing a "liberating" patch, pirates will arrive first at the game's release day one. If they think this is funny or just useful for anything, they can go on and make me laugh every time I finish a torrent....

So...what...bully for you? Whatever. Thanks for sharing?
Posted May 03, 2010
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bansama: The only thing worse than a pirate, is one who feels the need to keep telling the world that will continue to pirate. You're not helping the situation.
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KingofGnG: I don't give a fuck anymore. They, the industry, can go to hell :-P

If the industry is so bad why do you even bother playing games?
Posted May 03, 2010
Meh, not really seeing anything particularly interesting here. Words are cheap and promises are easy to make when there's nothing holding you to them. They claim they'll be patching out the activation requirement 18-24 months after release; by sheer coincidence I may consider buying their game 18-24 months after release.
Posted May 03, 2010
Well giving a time frame for a stated drm removal patch is a hell of a lot more encouraging than the vague "if we ever go under, you'll still be able to play our games" assurance that valve have given. I've never read anything that implies its ALL steam games, I'd lay odds it'll only be valve stuff IF said mechanism exists at all.
It's still not a GOOD thing but its tolerably bad if you're a realist and can accept that the universe doesn't exist to serve your anti-drm sentiments. Seems to me that Sega have found a comfortable middle ground between serving the paranoia fuelled whims of the shareholders and serving the "I'd like to actually own the thing I paid money for" needs of the customers.
Personally I'd have made the timeframe 9-12 months after release rather than 18-24 but I still think they deserve the opportunity to disapppoint us rather than be automatically assumed to be the enemy.
Failing that, cracks are made for a reason. Support someone making something a bit different in the marketplace of CoD clones and then use the inevitable crack to ensure you have the ability to play it on your terms
Post edited May 03, 2010 by Aliasalpha
Posted May 03, 2010
The fact that they commit to a time frame for a DRM-free patch is commendable, but I would probably still wait until the patch is released before buying it. There are just too many good games out there to have to deal with more DRM.
Still it's several steps away from UbiDRM, so yeah, it's something.
Posted May 03, 2010
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Aliasalpha: Well giving a time frame for a stated drm removal patch is a hell of a lot more encouraging than the vague "if we ever go under, you'll still be able to play our games" assurance that valve have given. I've never read anything that implies its ALL steam games, I'd lay odds it'll only be valve stuff IF said mechanism exists at all.
It's still not a GOOD thing but its tolerably bad if you're a realist and can accept that the universe doesn't exist to serve your anti-drm sentiments. Seems to me that Sega have found a comfortable middle ground between serving the paranoia fuelled whims of the shareholders and serving the "I'd like to actually own the thing I paid money for" needs of the customers.
Personally I'd have made the timeframe 9-12 months after release rather than 18-24 but I still think they deserve the opportunity to disapppoint us rather than be automatically assumed to be the enemy.
Failing that, cracks are made for a reason. Support someone making something a bit different in the marketplace of CoD clones and then use the inevitable crack to ensure you have the ability to play it on your terms

Well-spoken again.
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deoren: Still it's several steps away from UbiDRM, so yeah, it's something.

It's not even the same universe in my eyes...
Post edited May 03, 2010 by chautemoc
Posted May 04, 2010
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tor: Is that even possible? I thought all Steam games must use Steam's built-in DRM, no matter what.

Steamworks is a special package of Steam features--the DRM is just one of them--that is included in all releases of a game, including at retail and on competing digital distribution services. By saying they aren't using Steamworks that just means you can buy it from somewhere else without being forced to use Steam regardless; buying on Steam will still require Steam's DRM.
Post edited May 04, 2010 by Arkose
Posted May 04, 2010
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bansama: I don't give a fuck anymore. They, the industry, can go to hell :-P
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michaelleung: If the industry is so bad why do you even bother playing games?

I like indie and dead games, indeed. Isn't GOG all about "dead" games? So...
Posted May 04, 2010
Honestly, the only good DRM is no DRM. I recently bought Trine (retail disc) and was surprised that one of the patches available on the Trine site, was to remove the DRM. In the case of Trine, the DRM is the classic method (the disc must be in the tray in order to play the game), so it wasn't much of a hassle. However, knowing that Southpeak was friendly enough to make that patch (now I can play without a disc in the rive. It feels like 1994 :D), just made my day.
Even though SEGA is saying that they will release the patch, that doesn't make me feel any better about the current release environment. If anything, it signals to me that I should wait 18-24 months after the game is released, to actually make the purchase.
I made the mistake of buying Mirror's Edge (retail disc). Sure the game is fun, but everytime you install or uninstall the game, you have to be online so that it can phone home and retrieve/restore your installation license. EA has not been so gracious as to patch this DRM.
These companies probably won't realize that restricting legitimate customers, only harms their business, rather than strengthen or protect it. Pirates merely take a few weeks longer to find a work around, and legitimate consumers are left to suffer with the need for online access or limited installs.
Posted May 04, 2010
Knowing Obsidian, I'm pretty sure the "DRM out" patch is not just a marketing trick. They've done it in the past and they've always been pretty clear about the question. They don't like DRM any more than we do. I still remember the delight when they announced they got the DRM off from NWN2.
Posted May 04, 2010
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Ogg: Knowing Obsidian, I'm pretty sure the "DRM out" patch is not just a marketing trick. They've done it in the past and they've always been pretty clear about the question. They don't like DRM any more than we do. I still remember the delight when they announced they got the DRM off from NWN2.

You can say that about most developers. DRM is a publisher restriction and most developers are more than happy to patch it out as it often does mess with the actual game. In these days of UbiDRM I cannot believe people are complaining about this let alone admitting they will pirate it. If publishers ease off on the DRM like Sega and EA then you need to start buying their games so they can see they are moving in the right direction. With Ubisoft and others who are going in the opposite direction then don't buy their games but crucially don't pirate them either!
Posted May 04, 2010
I find it disturbing that publishers seem to keep saying that they will release a patch in future to remove the DRM, but never really specifically state when. It could be in a month, a year, 10 years or 50. We like to think the former, but they probably mean the latter.
Posted May 04, 2010
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bansama: The only thing worse than a pirate, is one who feels the need to keep telling the world that will continue to pirate. You're not helping the situation.
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KingofGnG: I don't give a fuck anymore. They, the industry, can go to hell :-P

It's not the industry; it's the rest of us, the players, that you're screwing over.
Posted May 04, 2010
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Shmutt: I find it disturbing that publishers seem to keep saying that they will release a patch in future to remove the DRM, but never really specifically state when. It could be in a month, a year, 10 years or 50. We like to think the former, but they probably mean the latter.

Incorrect.
Am I protected for the future if the Uniloc service is discontinued?
Yes, we take your rights as a consumer very seriously, so we will provide a version of the game without license management (available as a patch) in around 18-24 months after release. We can’t be specific about the exact date due to business factors, but rest assured that we will provide an unprotected patch, as we did for Football Manager 2009.
Source.
Post edited May 04, 2010 by DelusionsBeta
Posted May 04, 2010
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bansama: I don't give a fuck anymore. They, the industry, can go to hell :-P
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Syme: It's not the industry; it's the rest of us, the players, that you're screwing over.

So, you defend this kind of shit? You like DRM? I've got problems with the industry using the DRM, that's all.
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