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Posted May 12, 2011
A god already walks among us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATzG2s4gbQU
Posted May 12, 2011
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Tulivu: There is no burden of proof.
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Aliasalpha: There fucking well is if religion is dictating the rights of people who have no connection to it.

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Tulivu: As a Christian (can't speak for others) it is not your job too to prove the existence of God. That would defeat the purpose of faith.
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Aliasalpha: Okay so what happens if somehow god is proven to exist?

Belief in something you can't prove, something that makes no sense and something that has been the inspiration for oppression, violence and bigotry for centuries is not something to be lauded, its something that needs to be cured. The only reason its not classified as a mental illness is because its so widespread


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Tulivu: I enjoy intelligent spiritual discourse so please don't resort to belittling the faith of others or preying on those that haven't come up with a solid defense of their belief yet.
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Aliasalpha: In more than 2000 years? I think they're too late.
Oh irony.
Alias, if you were capable of stepping back from your perspective you would realize that you are the athiest equivilent of those you use to stereotype us all. I am disgusted by much the same things as you, and in light of your hypocrisy, by your views. While religion has its functions, what is most important is your spiritual relationship with (insert) which is not 2000 years old and not "stupid." You are a hate figure just like any religion nazi, you just fly under the flag of athiesm. I heard someone found a cure for Jews, is that what you are looking for?
Post edited May 12, 2011 by Tulivu
Posted May 12, 2011
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GameRager: ]Also as I said to Alias there's no way we can prove god(s) exist or anythign with our level of technology, so the whole we can't or haven't been able to prove it thing isn't as important to the discussion, and also the onus of proof is impossible to bear thus unfairly placed upon any side of the debate.
Depends on the god people are suggesting. Anything from the classical biblical god, the older gods that came and went as our understanding of the universe grew, peoples personal ideas of god and god purely defined into existence.
Posted May 12, 2011
This reminds me of the Time Travel Fund or something similarly titled.

The premise was that if time travel is made possible, donating $5 to the fund supposedly lets someone come back in time to answer questions you have, give you tons of money, etc. Of course this hinges on the timeline theory (No paradox) being absolutely wrong.

Although we know its just a scam to get idiots away from their money.
Posted May 12, 2011
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Wraith: Although we know its just a scam to get idiots away from their money.
Like the companies selling land on the Moon and Mars.
Posted May 12, 2011
One of my more "on topic" posts: Is it sad that this is for pets and not for, I don't know, unraptured children or something? I never understood the stuff people would do for animals that would eat them when they die. I love my dog but all he will ever get from me is bacon. Why? Because if he has bacon, nothing else matters. Just give him some bacon and put him down. Welcome to dog heaven.
Posted May 12, 2011
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hedwards: It's not a scam, unless of course they don't follow through in the case where the rapture comes.
See, here's a bit of a conundrum. The only way other people would be able to take care of your pets after the rapture, is if these other people will not be part of the rapture themselves. That means they'd be sinners and probably liars as well. What are the odds they'll stick to their word?
Posted May 12, 2011
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GameRager: What if their "sin" is stealing some gum and their "lies" is telling people they paid for it? I could trust them I think. :\
As someone who has read the Bible front to back, 99.9999% of people who think of themselves as good Christians are winding up in hell, so the good news is, no one'd be left to sue these people when the time came.
Posted May 12, 2011
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GameRager: By god I mean creator or intelligent creating force in general. With how little we know of our universe, almost anything is possible.
Well yes the more we learn the more we realise just how little we know or understand.

All we can do is figure out how to manage our beliefs given our limited knowledge, perceptive and yet rather active imaginations.
Posted May 12, 2011
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GameRager: Surely that number is a wee bit exaggerated? :P
Not in the slightest. If anything, I figure I'm being optimistic.

What astounds me, what absolutely blows my mind, is that nobody I know or have spoken to, has read the Bible front to back, all the way through. Like they were reading a novel.
Posted May 12, 2011
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Tulivu: Alias, if you were capable of stepping back from your perspective you would realize that you are the athiest equivilent of those you use to stereotype us all. I am disgusted by much the same things as you, and in light of your hypocrisy, by your views. While religion has its functions, what is most important is your spiritual relationship with (insert) which is not 2000 years old and not "stupid." You are a hate figure just like any religion nazi, you just fly under the flag of athiesm. I heard someone found a cure for Jews, is that what you are looking for?
Ahh good old strawmen, I demand proof for a ridiculous assertion and say that religion should stay the fuck out of public policy and I'm suddenly sterotyping EVERY religious person and apparently now I'm hitler (who was a fucking catholic before you trot that tired debunked shit out). I think that means you've godwined the argument

Now if you're religious and are the sort to just sit there being happy by yourself then thats cool by me, you don't know how things work but it doesn't bother you. Thats not the sort I have trouble with, its the people who decide the invisible thing they believe in (with no evidence whatsoever) is more important than living people who DEFINITELY exist. Can you honestly say that you think the oppression of the rights of people just because they're gay is a good thing because its done for religious reasons? I rather hope you're not that insensitively selfish.

I'm an arrogant unsympathetic prick and fucking well proud of it. If people demand other peoples rights be suppressed or demand special treatment because of religion, I say prove your assertions or shut the fuck up.

Frankly at this stage I'm assuming that this is going to be one of those circular arguments that will only get worse as it cycles since both sides are inflexible and will never convince the other so I'm stopping here. Feel free to believe you've won an argument if it makes you feel better.

I apologise for derailing the thread.
Posted May 12, 2011
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GameRager: What if their "sin" is stealing some gum and their "lies" is telling people they paid for it? I could trust them I think. :\
Geez... is that enough to get you derapturized!? :)
Posted May 12, 2011
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Aliasalpha: I apologise for derailing the thread.
If you read a few of my posts you would see that I agree that religion (including atheism)should stay out of state matters. So there, common ground. I'm just tired of people attacking the faith of others.

/derailing
Posted May 12, 2011
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El_Caz: Also, the rapture doesn't have a set date
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Aliasalpha: Yes it does, May 21st.
Oohcrap. How long is The Witcher 2 again? If it's anywhere as long as I am expecting, I won't be even close to finishing it by that date. Crap!
Posted May 12, 2011
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Aliasalpha: I apologise for derailing the thread.
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Tulivu: If you read a few of my posts you would see that I agree that religion (including atheism)should stay out of state matters. So there, common ground. I'm just tired of people attacking the faith of others.

/derailing
The insurance racket isn't a "state" matter. It's a "commercial" matter. As far as I can research it, religion has always had it's fingers in commercial pies.
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