Oh, come on. We all know Prometheus is the best Alien movie because it's the best way in the galaxy to get completely smashed after you play the Idiot Scientist Drinking Game. Take one shot every time a scientist says something completely stupid and unscientific and...well, nice knowing you liver :)

I'm in partial agreement with misfire200. :)

I think they are both great movies and both great 'Alien' movies - they are different genres, true, but that just goes to show how flexible the mechanics of the 'Alien' concept is that it works so well in both horror and action genres. I don't view one genre to be intrinsically deeper than the other. I found "Aliens" to be far from generic and at least as influential as its well regarded predecessor. I suppose one could argue that a sequel cannot surpass the original in terms of influence as it is itself inspired by the first, but misfire200 is right, the characters and dialogue in "Aliens" have become iconic, oft quoted and even used in other science fiction works. Of course Ripley herself is still the most iconic character for both movies. Personal preference for which movie one prefers or even likes is going to dominate (as it should), but I think objectively "Aliens" has had at least as much cultural impact as the original movie, "Alien".

On a tangent: "Prometheus", however, was truly terrible despite having been made by Scott. I don't view it as much better than "AvP 1" which by all rights shouldn't even be counted since the "AvP" movies really were just cash grabs. In fact, as I write this, I think that in some general ways the plots of "AvP" and "Prometheus" aren't even so dissimilar: a team of idiot, cowboy scientists & archeologists believe they have found the origins of humans/human civilization and get killed. To me, "Prometheus" is sadly not forgettable, but rather how much I disliked that movie was seared into me. Shame too, because Michael Fassbender was great and the scenes with him imitating Peter O'Toole in "Lawrence of Arabia" were sheer brilliance. But that was less than 3 minutes of the movie and the rest of it was just putrid. I know it has its fans, but I clearly don't see what they see in it. I saw bad dialogue, a contrived plot, and flimsy, stupid characters - by the end I was rooting for the Engineer to kill them all. I can only hope that in the test of time, Prometheus will have little to no cultural impact. :)

I still cannot believe SEGA spent 60 Million on this

I honestly hope that SEGA sues the fuck out of Gearbox, I really do

Pitchford said that he has good explanation why demo that was showed before release was so much better than the final product and that he will make a statement about it in the future.

My bet is that good fairy offered them her magic only until midnight. Classic Cinderella syndrome.

I think you've completely missed the reasons behind the complaints for this game and the current situation in the gaming industry from the consumer side.

Firstly, yes, people buy games they regret all the time, this is nothing new. However most regrettable purchases come down to not researching the game. However in this instance people were flat-out lied to, they we're shown a demo that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the product they purchased. A demo which, by the way, was cut into all of their promotional material. Every gameplay trailer for every system from the wiiU to the PC uses that footage, all of the pictures they released, including pictures that are STILL up on the games steam page, come from that demo.

This makes it very different from the standard "shit, i probably should have checked up on that one first" regrettable game purchases.

Secondly, there's the current focus on shady advertising practices in the gaming industry, this was brought about by Sergey Titov and Hammerpoint with The War Z (their shenanigans are still ongoing BTW). That situation alone, where the devs flaunted their shady activities, reveled in them even, has made this a very sore point for consumers. At this point we're getting the videogame industry equivalent of "I'm mad as hell and i'm not going to take it anymore!".

You may find this hilarious but I find this to hopefully be a very good thing for us consumers. The more we let these things slide, the more they'll happen. With people taking Gearbox to task on this it should hopefully convince other devs on the folly of misleading consumers and cutting corners on products they expect them to pay $50 to $80 on.

If you read my other posts you will see that I disprove releasing false trailer too. I don't support Gearbox nor I'm on corporations side. Quite opposite. Pitchford even blocked me on his twitter :(.

It's just stupid for me that every YouTube Star is now making videos about "If you preorder game you may buy a bad game". I just want to reply "Thanks Captain Obvious! Don't expect me to lick your feet for this outstanding advice tho!".

Also I finds funny that in this topic and in comment section on Eurogamer, people that didn't buy a game has worse opinion about game than people that bought game.

Considering the industry that's been built up thanks to the amount of people that preorder I'd say that it's really not that obvious. It might be obvious to you but wouldn't it then be obvious that those people aren't saying it for your benefit?

Also saying that people need to have purchased the game to be incensed at this very obvious activity is astonishing to me. They made an average game at best (I've played through it, that's being extremely generous), they sold it for top dollar, they advertised it using footage that didn't represent the product they were selling. People don't need to get robbed to be angry at thieves.

Thank you. That made me laugh.... and people where discussing my selective use of the word "independent" in the indie tread.

Anyway - I am one of the few people who think Alien 3 is better than Aliens. The style and setting works better for me then the gung-ho attitude of it. To bad it was cut to much for the cinema release. Overall, it is a good franchise.

Personally, I have only watched the video by Total Biscuit and he does raise some valid points aside from that - preorders lead to pretty shady practices in the industry as preorder bonuses, and that preordering a digital verion of a game is fairly pointless as they never run out of stock, so the only thing supporting this pretty bad habit is incapability of people to just wait (which is true, seriously, it doesn't matter at all whether you get a game on release or before it - most of the times you get to download it at the same time anyway, and when you do get a preload, you get to play it like 2 - 3 hours later) - so the only 'point' of preorders now is to get money out of people without them having any means of finding out whether the product is good or not.

That's almost always the case with everything.

I think that Alien 3 is a better film than Alien 1 to be fair. When I've seen it first I hated it, but the uncut version completely changed my view of that movie for whatever reason. I still love Aliens the most tho :-P

the uncut version just make more sense and is allowed to maintain its tempo throughout. it is one of the examples how small and almost un-noticeable changes can alter a film. Dark City is another.

I already told you. I'm not against bashing Gearbox for releasing false advertisement. I said that I find funny that plenty of people are saying that it's the worst game ever, even tho they didn't play it. On other hand you may find quite few persons in this topic that bought this game and enjoyed it. I think that they are making those videos mostly for their own benefits. Also I'm type of person that believe that people don't need shepherds who will lead them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bothered THAT much about it. It's just hilarious that I already seen 5 different videos made by different YT stars that are about the same thing and they are stating obvious fact "When you preorder game, you can't be sure about its quality".

In regards to the cinematic trailer for Dead Island, is what not listed as "in game" footage and the majority understood the game would not look or play like that. Although it was one heck of a trailer.

And it is not just the "lighting" that is different from the original demo's in game footage but to why. The aliens also moved a hell of a lot better in that demo footage than they do in the current version of the game. So it also has gameplay issues unless you like your aliens for the most part just walking around 90% of the time. The only good news is that AI issues can be fixed and the majority of the gameplay issues can be tweaked...however...the crappy lighting, 2007 graphics, lack of atmospheric effects, the glass braking, blah blah will take some overhauling.

It was false advertising when they said it was in game footage and not even a top of the line computer can get those results currently...


also i have purchased every aliens game and I have felt plenty of disappointment; however, this one had the most potential since the original AvP and it is a big disappointment. People would probably be less pissed if Gearbox even gave a decent statement of why the difference in videos? Simple as that.