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Posted December 05, 2012
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KingofGnG: I meant: Steam = on-line DRM. Yeah, I know, you can play it off-line... AFTER you loaded it on Steam first. But I don't have the assurance that 10 years from now Steam will be on-line as well.

And yes: I'm still playing games that are 10-year old and older....
So always online DRM is DRM which needs to be online once and never again?

Okay.
Posted December 05, 2012
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KingofGnG: I meant: Steam = on-line DRM. Yeah, I know, you can play it off-line... AFTER you loaded it on Steam first. But I don't have the assurance that 10 years from now Steam will be on-line as well.

And yes: I'm still playing games that are 10-year old and older....
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StingingVelvet: So always online DRM is DRM which needs to be online once and never again?

Okay.
Maybe not constant, but connect once and never again isn't right either.

Valve support themselves admit that offline mode does expire after some time and requires you to connect to steam to re-authorize your games.
Posted December 05, 2012
Dear GOG: please beam Alan Wake gameplay directly to my cortex.

K thanks.
Posted December 05, 2012
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Fictionvision: Maybe not constant, but connect once and never again isn't right either.

Valve support themselves admit that offline mode does expire after some time and requires you to connect to steam to re-authorize your games.
I was offline for 6 months once and everything worked fine. Connecting once in six months is not anywhere near enough to "constant connection" to warrant any kind of batshit insane comparison.
Posted December 05, 2012
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StingingVelvet: So always online DRM is DRM which needs to be online once and never again?

Okay.
Yes. For me, a "service" that pretends to deal/control/check/operate your single player-only games from a remote server is too much online and an unbearable DRM system. Maybe it isn't "always-on", maybe it's once in a while but it is DRM. And it sucks.
Posted December 05, 2012
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tfishell: Doesn't bother me usually, but then again I'm not one concerned with "owning" my games as much as some people.

Steam goes down? There would be chaos.
Why would there be chaos? Do those people feel they "own" the games they have on their Steam account? :)
Posted December 05, 2012
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KingofGnG: Yes. For me, a "service" that pretends to deal/control/check/operate your single player-only games from a remote server is too much online and an unbearable DRM system. Maybe it isn't "always-on", maybe it's once in a while but it is DRM. And it sucks.
I never said it wasn't DRM. Please just admit you used the wrong term and move on.
Posted December 05, 2012
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KingofGnG: The Steam version is crippled with always-on DRM, the GOG version is not. So the GOG version is the way to go. Money? Who cares about a bit of money when you can be sure you actually OWN the game you purchase with no persistent on-line requirement whatsoever?
And who cares about the truth? Not you, it seems, because this is bullshit.
Posted December 05, 2012
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tfishell: Doesn't bother me usually, but then again I'm not one concerned with "owning" my games as much as some people.

Steam goes down? There would be chaos.
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timppu: Why would there be chaos? Do those people feel they "own" the games they have on their Steam account? :)
Very funny, TimmyP. :P Anyway, just a little clarification, I'm just saying that I don't have too many games on Steam, so if it went down I wouldn't lose too much. But some people own thousands of dollars worth of games on Steam, and tons own hundreds of dollars, so if Valve completely and unexpectedly went under, and Steam was shut down, (or alt., Gabe accidentally fell on the Steam servers while looking for a lost Hostess bar, and it all went ka-put), the things that would come of that no human being should ever have to witness.
Posted December 05, 2012
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tfishell: Very funny, TimmyP. :P Anyway, just a little clarification, I'm just saying that I don't have too many games on Steam, so if it went down I wouldn't lose too much. But some people own thousands of dollars worth of games on Steam, and tons own hundreds of dollars, so if Valve completely and unexpectedly went under, and Steam was shut down, (or alt., Gabe accidentally fell on the Steam servers while looking for a lost Hostess bar, and it all went ka-put), the things that would come of that no human being should ever have to witness.
1) They have said they would sunset Steam by removing all DRM aspects.

2) This is the PC we're talking about, do you really think people would let the classics be unplayable? Hell, they're playable without Steam today, right now.

3) The constant mocking of Gabe's weight by the internet at large is really tiresome and doesn't make you look cool.
Posted December 05, 2012
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StingingVelvet: 3) The constant mocking of Gabe's weight by the internet at large is really tiresome and doesn't make you look cool.
Then maybe he should get the hint and lose some weight? It might improve his... image.
Posted December 05, 2012
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timppu: Why would there be chaos? Do those people feel they "own" the games they have on their Steam account? :)
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tfishell: Very funny, TimmyP. :P Anyway, just a little clarification, I'm just saying that I don't have too many games on Steam, so if it went down I wouldn't lose too much. But some people own thousands of dollars worth of games on Steam, and tons own hundreds of dollars, so if Valve completely and unexpectedly went under, and Steam was shut down, (or alt., Gabe accidentally fell on the Steam servers while looking for a lost Hostess bar, and it all went ka-put), the things that would come of that no human being should ever have to witness.
Exactly. I have some stuff on Steam, maybe two hundred dollars worth... but not thousands. It's not that I don't like Steam's perks, it's just that I trust myself waaaay more than I trust Valve (after all, I'm the one spending the money). I'd rather lose my entire game collection myself than have Valve lose it to "lack of funds" or something else that isn't my problem.

That said, some of you guys seem way too eager to either prove each other wrong, or rub each others faces in paltry, half-baked points. Remember, no matter who you buy games from, you're giving them YOUR money. You don't need to defend them, nor should you have to. I love GOG and Desura but I'm not going to sit behind my computer screen and fellate them all day long, just as I'm not going to talk shit about Steam. This is a crap topic designed to inflame the nerd hive (no offense).
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kidholiday: Hi all,

i would love to buy the game at gog, but at steam, u can get it actually for 7 €, so around 9 Dollars...

Pls make it here also... i would prefer buying at gog..

Greeting...
Oh, well, I'm sure they'll get right on lowing the price just for you.
Post edited December 05, 2012 by fortune_p_dawg
Posted December 05, 2012
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StingingVelvet: 1) They have said they would sunset Steam by removing all DRM aspects.

2) This is the PC we're talking about, do you really think people would let the classics be unplayable? Hell, they're playable without Steam today, right now.

3) The constant mocking of Gabe's weight by the internet at large is really tiresome and doesn't make you look cool.
Not to mention that you are still are an owner of the license of the game. That means you can get it of the nets legally*. Unlike licenses bound by discs or any other physical token, a license you purchase online can effectively never get lost. You can lose the proof, but never the license.

*depending on country.

Personally, any worrying about loosing access to my games is in no relevant relation to the possibility of actually loosing them. Worrying or actually taking precautions is quite literally a waste of time. Same as I don't hoard guns and dogfood in that hole in the yard, I don't hoard games "for the future without internet":
Posted December 05, 2012
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StingingVelvet: 1) They have said they would sunset Steam by removing all DRM aspects.

2) This is the PC we're talking about, do you really think people would let the classics be unplayable? Hell, they're playable without Steam today, right now.

3) The constant mocking of Gabe's weight by the internet at large is really tiresome and doesn't make you look cool.
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SimonG: Not to mention that you are still are an owner of the license of the game. That means you can get it of the nets legally*. Unlike licenses bound by discs or any other physical token, a license you purchase online can effectively never get lost. You can lose the proof, but never the license.

*depending on country.

Personally, any worrying about loosing access to my games is in no relevant relation to the possibility of actually loosing them. Worrying or actually taking precautions is quite literally a waste of time. Same as I don't hoard guns and dogfood in that hole in the yard, I don't hoard games "for the future without internet":
But... but... the APOCALYPSE!

We shall quest to find the last Holy USB Hard Drive of DRM-free games! And then... if only we had a working computer to play them on....

:(
Posted December 05, 2012
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fortune_p_dawg: But... but... the APOCALYPSE!

We shall quest to find the last Holy USB Hard Drive of DRM-free games! And then... if only we had a working computer to play them on....

:(
Heck, I could be wrong and we loose the internet. But then at least nobody can call me out on it ;-P
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