Well sux that sum1 hacked my email and deleted it...so that whole process is useless...w/e I got my ways of getting things ive purchased for FREE whence ive lostem...

The artistic side of you takes issue with boobs, sex and violence? Countless talented artists throughout history have used those things as inspiration to create highly acclaimed works of art.

A couple of things:

- Stunt? Really? Give me a BMX, I'll show you stunts - this was just simple quotation.

- Your "fapping material" looks like the sex cards in Witcher? If so, you're doing it wrong.

- I think the actual artwork on the "cards" is fantastic. You haven't commented on that, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. Do you think the artwork is bad, or do you just not like it because of the boobs?

You need to play the game, look at the art that you're saying shouldn't be there, and come back with a well reasoned argument. Just saying "boobs are immature" is lame.

I will repeat myself:

"No, I'm not taking issue with "boobs, sex and violence" themselves. I'm taking issue with how stupidly pandering the whole "cards" thing is, especially in the context of The Witcher's ambitions toward maturity."

I'm NOT saying "boobs are immature," and the fact that you still think I'm saying that is frustrating to say the least. I'm saying that the whole idea of giving you collectible "sexy" cards for banging women seems pretty silly to me--designed to cater to people who are just playing the game to see some virtual skin. No amount of slick-looking art is going to change that, and frankly there's probably not much that will change my mind about it either... it will still feel silly to me. In fact, it will feel even sillier if the rest of the game does indeed pull off the gritty, adult tone that people claim it does.

And yes, you're pulling a stunt...the tired old "don't you DARE think that something sex-related is in bad taste!" stunt. Like anything sex-related is somehow above reproach. Kitschy romance plots can be criticized, and kitschy sexual content can as well. I think the cards are kitschy.

I'm in a really bad mood tonight, and I don't feel like arguing over something this petty, so feel free to have the last word.

Set up Good Adult Games

Also, I apologize if I sound a lot angrier than I usually do. As I said, it's been a taxing day and I'm just in a really bad mood.

You can't talk about the context if you haven't played the game. These "cards" aren't the type of thing you'd want to jack off to, and your assertion that they are is further evidence that you haven't even looked into it.

People who want to see virtual skin have many, many options that don't involve long hours of gameplay, the vast majority of which have nothing to do with sex. I can't imagine anyone playing Witcher just "to see some virtual skin".

What? I never implied, let alone said that. You're welcome to think sex related things are in bad taste if that's your thing. What is above reproach is criticizing the context of images you haven't seen in a game you haven't played.

It's not a "stunt" to point out that artistic female portraits, even naked ones, have been around for a very very long time, and are generally accepted by the art world as being "real art". That's what these cards are when all is said and done, mostly nude portraits in a fantastic (and imo quite original) style.

Cheers :)

Basically, I think I've just blown the hell out of this thing's proportion. So you might be right...I don't know, I can't even begin trying to think rationally right now. Basically, the thing that's bugging me isn't the nudity, it's how strange having nude women collectible cards seems inside a gritty fantasy game. But then you're arguing that the point isn't the nudity, it's the art. Which means that I would have to somehow prove that...AARRGGHH.

Yeah, I think it's probably best for everyone if I just assume that you're right.

I will sign this, only on the condition you include visual novels in there. Lots of great ones that tend to be either in the mature or adults only category and I'd like to play them legitimately.

Well, you could "prove" it by stating that in the game, they are referred to as "Sex Cards", not "Artistic Nudity Cards"

I would then counter that with one of my earlier points that these aren't something you could/would jack off to, and that artistic merrits are in the eye of the beholder.

What I think we can agree on is that they had a right to create and publish the game as they wish, and that there is no good reason to censor it in any way. As long as people know what they are buying before they buy it, there shouldn't be a problem :)

Edit: you can see the cards here to judge for yourself :)

not to mention alcoholism, and opium and other drug use =)

I want GOG to get Wet: The Sexy Empire. Does that count as AO ? :D

YAY. Another fan! +1 rep