Posted April 27, 2012

Navagon
Easily Persuaded
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012
This is the best way to put it so far, IMO. I love the Deus Ex and Morrowind era design philosophy, and everything outside of that is a compromise to some extent.

ktchong
New User
Registered: Sep 2011
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012
Nope.
I'm 40, and has been playing games since the early 1980s. Older games are NOT better. Games are improving all the time. New games are better.
However, what I do not like is how corporations and big businesses have transformed the video game industry. Companies like EA and Activision have been making more and more intrusive and expensive: DRM, DLC, mandatory Internet connection, micro-transactions, monthly subscriptions, games are basically incomplete and force customers to pay more and more and more to get a complete game, etc. etc. Games are getting more and more expensive *and* intrusive.
So while the games themselves are getting better, the business practices are getting worse. The latest Mass Effect is a far, far superior game to Starflight, but the hassles one has to go through and put up with in order to play Mass Effect is getting intolerable.
But it's the same big problem with corporations and big businesses everywhere. See how corporations and businesses like to screw over people even when governments are not involved? (i.e., like just about everything else in the world, the REAL problem is corporations and big businesses, not governments. Changing the governments won't fix anything because governments are NOT the root of the problem.)
I'm 40, and has been playing games since the early 1980s. Older games are NOT better. Games are improving all the time. New games are better.
However, what I do not like is how corporations and big businesses have transformed the video game industry. Companies like EA and Activision have been making more and more intrusive and expensive: DRM, DLC, mandatory Internet connection, micro-transactions, monthly subscriptions, games are basically incomplete and force customers to pay more and more and more to get a complete game, etc. etc. Games are getting more and more expensive *and* intrusive.
So while the games themselves are getting better, the business practices are getting worse. The latest Mass Effect is a far, far superior game to Starflight, but the hassles one has to go through and put up with in order to play Mass Effect is getting intolerable.
But it's the same big problem with corporations and big businesses everywhere. See how corporations and businesses like to screw over people even when governments are not involved? (i.e., like just about everything else in the world, the REAL problem is corporations and big businesses, not governments. Changing the governments won't fix anything because governments are NOT the root of the problem.)
Post edited April 27, 2012 by ktchong

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012

I'm 40, and has been playing games since the early 1980s. Older games are NOT better. Games are improving all the time. New games are better.
However, what I do not like is how corporations and big businesses have transformed the video game industry. Companies like EA and Activision have been making more and more intrusive and expensive: DRM, DLC, mandatory Internet connection, micro-transactions, monthly subscriptions, games are basically incomplete and force customers to pay more and more and more to get a complete game, etc. etc. Games are getting more and more expensive *and* intrusive.
So while the games themselves are getting better, the business practices are getting worse. The latest Mass Effect is a far, far superior game to Starflight, but the hassles one has to go through and put up with in order to play Mass Effect is getting intolerable.
But it's the same big problem with corporations and big businesses everywhere. See how corporations and businesses like to screw over people even when governments are not involved?
I hate it too, but I see why they do it.

AFnord
Friendly Dragon
Registered: Dec 2011
From Sweden

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012



dae6
Not a lobster
Registered: Dec 2008
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012

The latest Mass Effect is a far, far superior game to Starflight,
Personally, while playing the Mass Effect series (which I enjoyed), I kept wishing it was more like Starflight.

FAButzke
Thundercat
Registered: Jul 2010
From Brazil
Posted April 27, 2012


It's interesting, though, that I got blown away by such an old-school title, while I'm currently playing through "Tomb Raider: Legend", being thoroughly unimpressed.
I think this is subjective.
I've started my "gaming career" when I was 4 and games came in K7 tapes. I've played a lot of games for the ZX-Spectrum & MSX.
That being said, I'm not comparing those games to "modern" games. That would be absurd. I'm talking about old games but not THAT old (like SC1).
It's has been some time now from my last "Ow snap!" moment. The last one, I think, was the ending of Mass Effect 2, back in 2010.

keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted April 27, 2012

And telling that new hollywood movies are better than old hollywood movies, because of better technology, chain of production or whatever
this is bollocks.
And I believe movies industry isn't much different than games industry.
And if someones says "I prefer classic literature / old movies / classic rock music" nobody would say man, you're just nostalgic. new movies/ music/ books are so much better than old ones!
Because they're not.
Modern culture has come to shit, and it also applies to games. Old games are better to me. (with few exceptions, of course)
It depends what you are looking for. If you're only after technology, then new games are for you. But when you are for story, complexity, originality etc. etc. old games would be mostly better than new ones.
Post edited April 27, 2012 by keeveek

Navagon
Easily Persuaded
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom

keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted April 27, 2012
http://www.imdb.com/chart/top
look at this. Most of them older than 10 years old. Many of them older than 30 years old
It's not nostalgia.
look at this. Most of them older than 10 years old. Many of them older than 30 years old
It's not nostalgia.
Post edited April 27, 2012 by keeveek

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012

The one thing I will say though is that mainstream comedies used to be a lot better, because they focused on real humor and not gross-out stuff.

keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted April 27, 2012
Well, maybe I'm weird but I couldn't cite even 10 good games from last 3 years, or 10 good movies (i've seen plenty) , but I could definitely cite dozens of good games from 1999 solely.
But maybe I'm weird.
But maybe I'm weird.

Navagon
Easily Persuaded
Registered: Dec 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted April 27, 2012

Old humour.. again, most of it hasn't aged at all well. There are even a lot of nineties things that I thought were great at the time but I can't find funny now. It really can age very fast and not many can stand the test of time.
Don't write off modern comedy though. There's a lot of good stuff out there now. It's just more... straight faced in its delivery. That said, it's on TV. Not in cinema...

bevinator
Yep.
Registered: Mar 2011
From United States
Posted April 27, 2012
I haven't seen a comedy movie since Mel Brooks stopped making movies that's even a tenth as funny as 30 Rock or Modern Family. But I'm not sure if that's because recent comedies are just awful, or if it's something to do with demographics and marketing preventing non-garbage comedies from being produced in the first place.