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Gundato: But clearly she does not feel it to be invalidated, so why is her achievement (in her eyes) any less because you don't approve of it?
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Navagon: I already said she was deluded. Why therefore do you think I'd care how it looked to her?
If you have read the article you'd know she was plainly cheating to get the score, so why would you be unsure about this?
As for CoD4, that game is famously exploited to death as well. No wonder they're all confused by who's exploiting it the most. That is one of the excuses that IW gave for removing dedicated servers from MW2. Ultimately it's another example of how gamer scores ultimately mean nothing. Thus further proving my point, if anything.

So basically, you don't agree with her and decide to say she is "deluded" as the counter-argument.
Well, this is kind of a pointless discussion. I am going to just keep saying that she may be crazy, but she is not much crazier than any of us. You are going to keep calling her a whore and saying she doesn't play games right and is insane.
I'm done :p
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BladderOfDoom: how did they string an article of that length from such a boring subject?
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bansama: If you think that's bad try reading anything written by Tim Rogers. That guy rambles on way too much, especially given how boring he makes everything. After just a couple of paragraphs I feel like inventing a device which could punch him through the Internet. His writing is that annoying.

I personally agree with you, I can't stand him. For some completely baffling reason though, a lot of people love his stuff.
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Gundato: So basically, you don't agree with her and decide to say she is "deluded" as the counter-argument.

No, the deluded comment is based upon her thinking she's one of the best gamers out there when the people she plays against don't so much as pick up the controller for the duration of the match.
I'm not calling her a whore. I'm calling her an achievement whore. I don't know how you could fail to make the distinction when it's right there in the thread title for one thing.
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Gundato: So basically, you don't agree with her and decide to say she is "deluded" as the counter-argument.
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Navagon: No, the deluded comment is based upon her thinking she's one of the best gamers out there when the people she plays against don't so much as pick up the controller for the duration of the match.
I'm not calling her a whore. I'm calling her an achievement whore. I don't know how you could fail to make the distinction when it's right there in the thread title for one thing.

Oy. I wish I had the willpower to stop arguing :p
Yet again, you seem to insist that she has to play the same game you do.
Do you have any points on your Gamerscore? If so, you "picked up a controller". And lots of other people use the same tactics, so she is definitely competing. Maybe you don't like the game she is playing, but in her game of choice (the Gamerscore game), she is one of the top five.
Let's use an example from Team Fortress 2 (which I will hopefully have a chance to play some time soon). Sometimes, when you have to make a big push, it helps to have a diversion. So someone will charge the enemy defenses while a spy or a heavy/medic assault. That person has no intention of really surviving or winning, they are just trying to support their team by buying some time.
Do I have to draw the parallel, or is that enough?
And my point is that you insist upon calling her derogatory names just because you don't like what she does. You could scream that she is a whore, an achievement whore (honestly, the distinction between those reminds me of little kids explaining why they aren't using hate speech when they mock a classmate, but whatever), or a goat-humper (I prefer sheep, they are softer). The point is that you are using a derogatory term to demean her in an attempt to assert your viewpoint.
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Gundato: No, the difference is that one YOU enjoy, and one YOU do not enjoy (but others do).
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Navagon: They're buying and playing some of the worst games out there for no other reason than to bolster a completely meaningless number. The number and its growth are all that matters to them. That's not comparable to casually enjoying something. That's not comparable to enjoying something at all. That's either OCD or some kind of addiction.

Sure it is, it's COMPLETELY comparable to *ANY* MMO.
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Gundato: Oy. I wish I had the willpower to stop arguing :p

You don't even seem to understand the simplest statements I make. Or you're deliberately warping them to make yourself seem right. Either way there's no point in continuing this.
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anjohl: Sure it is, it's COMPLETELY comparable to *ANY* MMO.

And there is nobody who is addicted to MMOs out there? If they're playing it just to grind and level up - not enjoying the actual game at all - then yes that is also an addiction. In both cases they're taking gaming and turning it into something akin to an evil twin to accountancy. One that's detrimental to their income.
Post edited December 12, 2009 by Navagon
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anjohl: Sure it is, it's COMPLETELY comparable to *ANY* MMO.
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Navagon: And there is nobody who is addicted to MMOs out there? If they're playing it just to grind and level up - not enjoying the actual game at all - then yes that is also an addiction. In both cases they're taking gaming and turning it into something akin to an evil twin to accountancy. One that's detrimental to their income.

Well why single out MMO's? That could apply to absolutely any form of stimulus that a person initially finds pleasure in but then ends up doing as a habit
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Aliasalpha: Well why single out MMO's? That could apply to absolutely any form of stimulus that a person initially finds pleasure in but then ends up doing as a habit

Such as?
Post edited December 12, 2009 by stonebro
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Aliasalpha: Well why single out MMO's? That could apply to absolutely any form of stimulus that a person initially finds pleasure in but then ends up doing as a habit
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stonebro: Such as?

Imagine a stimulus and there's probably a person addicted to it. Not sure how well the testicle trampling addict would be doing though...
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stonebro: Such as?
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Aliasalpha: Imagine a stimulus and there's probably a person addicted to it. Not sure how well the testicle trampling addict would be doing though...

Finding more people to trample?
Nah thats a fetish for being on the recieving end, often inflicted by high heels. Not exactly my bag (if you'll pardon the pun) but folk get off on it
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Aliasalpha: Nah thats a fetish for being on the recieving end, often inflicted by high heels. Not exactly my bag (if you'll pardon the pun) but folk get off on it

The trick is to make a rule of "no stiletto heels". Then you are pretty safe.
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Gundato: The trick is to make a rule of "no stiletto heels". Then you are pretty safe.

You'd think that. But no. Trust me.
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Aliasalpha: Well why single out MMO's? That could apply to absolutely any form of stimulus that a person initially finds pleasure in but then ends up doing as a habit

The key difference is competition. MMO's are fundamentally competitive chatrooms with avatars.