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pretty sure thst Link's always been a kid, with the exception of AoL/OoT/TP/SS
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Punished_Snake: Also Oracle of Season and Ages are a DIRECT sequel to A Link to the Past (but I'm wondering how this could be possible, because checking the images in the book in A Link to the Past Link is around 16-17, while on Oracle he is a 13-14 years old looking kid).
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Tallima: Answer: High quality lotion

Seriously, though, you can put some stock in the timeline, but know that most of the timeline was built after the games were built. There was no official timeline when most of them were built. They built them using gameplay and basic archetypes as a guide. Only later, after pressure from the community, did they build the timeline. (my source on this is probably that gametrailers video, but it may have been another one -- definitely a youtube video with some credibility)

It's a neat timeline, I'll admit. But I'd prefer no timeline at all, personally.
Hmm, well yes and no. There was a definite time line when OoT was made. WW amd TP too. The ones they had to "find a place for" were things like the Four Sword games. All of the "main" games had a specific place relative to the games made prior and a lot of the side games have a direct relationship to main series games.
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Tallima: Answer: High quality lotion

Seriously, though, you can put some stock in the timeline, but know that most of the timeline was built after the games were built. There was no official timeline when most of them were built. They built them using gameplay and basic archetypes as a guide. Only later, after pressure from the community, did they build the timeline. (my source on this is probably that gametrailers video, but it may have been another one -- definitely a youtube video with some credibility)

It's a neat timeline, I'll admit. But I'd prefer no timeline at all, personally.
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SirPrimalform: Hmm, well yes and no. There was a definite time line when OoT was made. WW amd TP too. The ones they had to "find a place for" were things like the Four Sword games. All of the "main" games had a specific place relative to the games made prior and a lot of the side games have a direct relationship to main series games.
Also Four Sword has a place in the timeline, as soon as I finish my reading I will make a post.
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SirPrimalform: Hmm, well yes and no. There was a definite time line when OoT was made. WW amd TP too. The ones they had to "find a place for" were things like the Four Sword games. All of the "main" games had a specific place relative to the games made prior and a lot of the side games have a direct relationship to main series games.
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Punished_Snake: Also Four Sword has a place in the timeline, as soon as I finish my reading I will make a post.
I know, I was suggesting they were incorporated into the time line later on as opposed to the more important 'main' games which had a place in the time line when they were conceived.
By the way, I noticed a HUGE plot hole: in Twilight Princess Zelda is the SAME one of Ocarina of Time.

In fact, Hyrule Historia says that after Link comes back from the future in the child timeline, he tells Zelda the truth about Ganondorf. Then, years later, Zelda managed to catch Ganon and, just when they were killing him, he set himself free.

Then, there is the Link of this age, but it isn't the same one of Ocarina of Time. It's ANOTHER Link...and the child Link (now he should be an adult)? Where is? So there are CLONES even in the same age? This is just stupid. Twiligh is a direct sequel of Ocarina (or so Hyrule Historia say), places some years after Link defeated Ganon...and this is stupid. You can't say that Zelda is the same one, creating at the same time ANOTHER Link.

And one other thing: the Hero's Shade is just a "ghost" of the Adult Link in the child timeline of Ocarina: basically he is a ghost because he never exisisted (in fact in the child timeline there wasn't an adult Link, only a Child Link that, after defeating Ganondorf, comes back in time, giving the Ocarina to Zelda, explaining her the whole situation) and anyone can remember him as the Time Hero.

This is fascinating.
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Punished_Snake: By the way, I noticed a HUGE plot hole: in Twilight Princess Zelda is the SAME one of Ocarina of Time.

In fact, Hyrule Historia says that after Link comes back from the future in the child timeline, he tells Zelda the truth about Ganondorf. Then, years later, Zelda managed to catch Ganon and, just when they were killing him, he set himself free.

Then, there is the Link of this age, but it isn't the same one of Ocarina of Time. It's ANOTHER Link...and the child Link (now he should be an adult)? Where is? So there are CLONES even in the same age? This is just stupid. Twiligh is a direct sequel of Ocarina (or so Hyrule Historia say), places some years after Link defeated Ganon...and this is stupid. You can't say that Zelda is the same one, creating at the same time ANOTHER Link.
No no, Twilight Princess is set longer after Ocarina of Time than you seem to think. It isn't the same Zelda, the Link and Zelda of Ocarina of Time would have died of old age.

The flashback in TP in which Ganon frees himself is not that long after OoT (random guess - maybe 20 years?). Ocarina Zelda is still alive when Ganon was captured (and escaped). Twilight Zelda is her descendent.
Post edited January 08, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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Punished_Snake: By the way, I noticed a HUGE plot hole: in Twilight Princess Zelda is the SAME one of Ocarina of Time.

In fact, Hyrule Historia says that after Link comes back from the future in the child timeline, he tells Zelda the truth about Ganondorf. Then, years later, Zelda managed to catch Ganon and, just when they were killing him, he set himself free.

Then, there is the Link of this age, but it isn't the same one of Ocarina of Time. It's ANOTHER Link...and the child Link (now he should be an adult)? Where is? So there are CLONES even in the same age? This is just stupid. Twiligh is a direct sequel of Ocarina (or so Hyrule Historia say), places some years after Link defeated Ganon...and this is stupid. You can't say that Zelda is the same one, creating at the same time ANOTHER Link.
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SirPrimalform: No no, Twilight Princess is set longer after Ocarina of Time than you seem to think. It isn't the same Zelda, the Link and Zelda of Ocarina of Time would have died of old age.

The flashback in TP in which Ganon frees himself is not that long after OoT (random guess - maybe 20 years?). Ocarina Zelda is still alive when Ganon was captured (and escaped). Twilight Zelda is her descendent.
So the book isn't precise, or it doesn't explain well what happened.

There are some strange facts too, because some of the lore of Zelda 2 is settled before The Legend of Zelda.

The timeline is : Zelda 2-TLOZ-Zelda 2 again, but I can't understand why (the fact I haven't played Zelda 2 too can be a problem, also :P).
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SirPrimalform: No no, Twilight Princess is set longer after Ocarina of Time than you seem to think. It isn't the same Zelda, the Link and Zelda of Ocarina of Time would have died of old age.

The flashback in TP in which Ganon frees himself is not that long after OoT (random guess - maybe 20 years?). Ocarina Zelda is still alive when Ganon was captured (and escaped). Twilight Zelda is her descendent.
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Punished_Snake: So the book isn't precise, or it doesn't explain well what happened.

There are some strange facts too, because some of the lore of Zelda 2 is settled before The Legend of Zelda.

The timeline is : Zelda 2-TLOZ-Zelda 2 again, but I can't understand why (the fact I haven't played Zelda 2 too can be a problem, also :P).
It made sense to me at the time but I'd have to look again to spot any ambiguity. As for the Zelda 2 thing, some of Zelda 2's backstory happens before LoZ.

There are effectively two Princess Zeldas in Zelda 2, the one from LoZ (who doesn't really come into it, but she's alive somewhere) and the sleeping Princess Zelda who is a sleeping beauty type of character from centuries ago. That's why it tells you a bit of Zelda 2 stuff, because it's about how she ended up sleeping indefinitely.
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SirPrimalform: No no, Twilight Princess is set longer after Ocarina of Time than you seem to think. It isn't the same Zelda, the Link and Zelda of Ocarina of Time would have died of old age.

The flashback in TP in which Ganon frees himself is not that long after OoT (random guess - maybe 20 years?). Ocarina Zelda is still alive when Ganon was captured (and escaped). Twilight Zelda is her descendent.
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Punished_Snake: So the book isn't precise, or it doesn't explain well what happened.
I'm going to be referring to page numbers here (I have a copy of the book myself.)

On page 113, it states that once Link returns to the child era and tells Zelda what is going to happen, Ganondorf is imprisoned before he can start his plan, and many years later, he is scheduled to be executed. The flashback showed what happens during that execution; he was banished to the Twilight Realm.

On page 114, we then learn that in the Twilight Realm, Ganondorf meets Zant and is able to grant him more power, thanks to the Triforce of Power (which he has because Link returned with the Triforce of Courage - so the other two parts had to "follow" and be distributed among the others). Zant is then gradually able to take over the Twilight Realm, but Midna escapes to the Light World and goes into hiding.

The book states that the Light World - where Link and Zelda reside - has been peaceful for hundreds of years, until Zant finally invades the Light World. I'll grant you that it's not completely exact, but the implication seems to be that the events of Ganondorf's execution broke that streak, and that TP takes place hundreds of years after OoT - but even if you ignore that event, the entire process is still described as a very gradual thing, so we're still talking about a significant amount of time; more than enough for a new Link (and several Zeldas) to be born.

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Punished_Snake: There are some strange facts too, because some of the lore of Zelda 2 is settled before The Legend of Zelda.

The timeline is : Zelda 2-TLOZ-Zelda 2 again, but I can't understand why (the fact I haven't played Zelda 2 too can be a problem, also :P).
Okay, so basically, the Zelda you rescue in Zelda II has been cursed to be asleep like this for many, many years. The first part of the timeline describes why that happened, that Zelda was placed on an altar in a castle (and protected by magic), and that following this, a law was enacted to name every future princess Zelda. Over time, everyone (except Impa and her descendants) forgets all about this, but the cursed Zelda is still in the temple.

When LoZ starts, a later Zelda has been kidnapped, and you save her during the events of that game.

Six years later, Link discovers the Triforce appearing on his hand. Impa takes him to the castle and they discover the cursed Zelda (the older one) on the altar, and AoL has you going out to break that curse.
Post edited January 08, 2014 by Pidgeot
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Punished_Snake: So the book isn't precise, or it doesn't explain well what happened.
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Pidgeot: I'm going to be referring to page numbers here (I have a copy of the book myself.)

On page 113, it states that once Link returns to the child era and tells Zelda what is going to happen, Ganondorf is imprisoned before he can start his plan, and many years later, he is scheduled to be executed. The flashback showed what happens during that execution; he was banished to the Twilight Realm.

On page 114, we then learn that in the Twilight Realm, Ganondorf meets Zant and is able to grant him more power, thanks to the Triforce of Power (which he has because Link returned with the Triforce of Courage - so the other two parts had to "follow" and be distributed among the others). Zant is then gradually able to take over the Twilight Realm, but Midna escapes to the Light World and goes into hiding.

The book states that the Light World - where Link and Zelda reside - has been peaceful for hundreds of years, until Zant finally invades the Light World. I'll grant you that it's not completely exact, but the implication seems to be that the events of Ganondorf's execution broke that streak, and that TP takes place hundreds of years after OoT - but even if you ignore that event, the entire process is still described as a very gradual thing, so we're still talking about a significant amount of time; more than enough for a new Link (and several Zeldas) to be born.

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Punished_Snake: There are some strange facts too, because some of the lore of Zelda 2 is settled before The Legend of Zelda.

The timeline is : Zelda 2-TLOZ-Zelda 2 again, but I can't understand why (the fact I haven't played Zelda 2 too can be a problem, also :P).
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Pidgeot: Okay, so basically, the Zelda you rescue in Zelda II has been cursed to be asleep like this for many, many years. The first part of the timeline describes why that happened, that Zelda was placed on an altar in a castle (and protected by magic), and that following this, a law was enacted to name every future princess Zelda. Over time, everyone (except Impa and her descendants) forgets all about this, but the cursed Zelda is still in the temple.

When LoZ starts, a later Zelda has been kidnapped, and you save her during the events of that game.

Six years later, Link discovers the Triforce appearing on his hand. Impa takes him to the castle and they discover the cursed Zelda (the older one) on the altar, and AoL has you going out to break that curse.
Wow, thanks a lot :D

Poor Link, during Zelda 1 and 2 he meets a LOT of Zeldas :D
What really amuse me its how they swear this crappy timeline its based on supposedly "zelda's master document". Such a ridiculous statement.
Post edited January 08, 2014 by ElPrimordial
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ElPrimordial: What really amuse me its how they swear this crappy timeline its based on supposedly "zelda's master document". Such a ridiculous statement.
I think Nintendo did this:

"Wow, we need money, but we can't do a game in, let's say, one week. How can we do?"

"Ehy, chief, I have an idea! Let's do a Zelda book with an OFFICIAL timeline, it will sell a lot of copies !!"

Three months later

"Ehy boss, I was right, it sold 17 billions of copies"

"Good. Now let's do another Super Mario Bros remake".

End of the story.

I find interesting reading this book, but I think there isn't an official timeline, even if Nintendo say it exists.
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ElPrimordial: What really amuse me its how they swear this crappy timeline its based on supposedly "zelda's master document". Such a ridiculous statement.
Things like Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures have been crammed, but the main series games (LoZ, AoL, LttP, OoT, WW, TP) were planned and the relationships between them mapped out for a long time before this was published.
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Punished_Snake: I find interesting reading this book, but I think there isn't an official timeline, even if Nintendo say it exists.
See above. While some of the stuff may be tenuous, the basic relationships were fixed for a long time. LttP was a prequel, OoT was a prequel to a prequel and then Eiji Aonuma went crazy with parallel universes.
Post edited January 08, 2014 by SirPrimalform
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ElPrimordial: What really amuse me its how they swear this crappy timeline its based on supposedly "zelda's master document". Such a ridiculous statement.
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SirPrimalform: Things like Minish Cap and Four Swords Adventures have been crammed, but the main series games (LoZ, AoL, LttP, OoT, WW, TP) were planned and the relationships between them mapped out for a long time before this was published.
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Punished_Snake: I find interesting reading this book, but I think there isn't an official timeline, even if Nintendo say it exists.
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SirPrimalform: See above. While some of the stuff may be tenuous, the basic relationships were fixed for a long time. LttP was a prequel, OoT was a prequel to a prequel and then Eiji Aonuma went crazy with parallel universes.
Yeah, I know this :)
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Punished_Snake:
Man I don't know how to say this but, I wish Zelda gets more challenging combat (at least the 3D games)

I played through Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and Twilight Princess and I have not died once from the hands of monsters/bosses. There is no tension in these games that I wish they become more challenging for one nerf the shield in Zelda because its overpowered it needs something like Demon's Souls Stamina system. Dungeons should also be more combat heavy as it is puzzle/exploration heavy. Honestly I want the bosses to kick my ass (the only boss I think pose a challenge is Goht from Majora's Mask and that Barinade from Ocarina of Time.

I am sorry but I really want zelda to go the dark souls rout in terms of combat. (No need for RPG elements of course)