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Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Name a game that can't be bought on ebay or amazon.
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SimonG: http://homeoftheunderdogs.net/game.php?id=404

And that post wasn't specifically aimed at you, but while we are at it ;-).

Edit: I actually just went on Hotu, clicked "random game" and took the first that came up. Considering it's a LoTR game, it might just be around.
http://www.ebay.com/ctg/The-Lord-of-the-Rings-Sinclair-ZX-Spectrum-1986-/56270938?_refkw=lord+of+the+rings+1986&_pcatid=2&_pcategid=1249&_dmpt=Video_Games_Games

Here you are sir, a sinclair spectrum edition, and it's not even 10 bucks.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Name a game that can't be bought on ebay or amazon.
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SimonG: http://homeoftheunderdogs.net/game.php?id=404

And that post wasn't specifically aimed at you, but while we are at it ;-).

Edit: I actually just went on Hotu, clicked "random game" and took the first that came up. Considering it's a LoTR game, it might just be around.
Might be a bit out of the price range of most - http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Fellowship-Of-The-Ring-Software-Adventue-IBM-Vintage-PC-Game-/310373262641?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4843b02531#ht_2968wt_844

I only searched out of interest, though, it doesn't change your point - tonnes of stuff exists that you will literally not find anywhere, even on eBay or Amazon Marketplace. Try finding a copy of Alley Cat, for example. And even if you find it, try running it.
Post edited March 28, 2012 by Gremmi
Posted March 28, 2012
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SimonG: http://homeoftheunderdogs.net/game.php?id=404

And that post wasn't specifically aimed at you, but while we are at it ;-).

Edit: I actually just went on Hotu, clicked "random game" and took the first that came up. Considering it's a LoTR game, it might just be around.
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Gremmi: Might be a bit out of the price range of most - http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Fellowship-Of-The-Ring-Software-Adventue-IBM-Vintage-PC-Game-/310373262641?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4843b02531#ht_2968wt_844
Yes they exist but on prices like that ... they are only for fanatic collectors

I only searched out of interest, though, it doesn't change your point - tonnes of stuff exists that you will literally not find anywhere, even on eBay or Amazon Marketplace. Try finding a copy of Alley Cat, for example. And even if you find it, try running it.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Gremmi: snip
Damn! I knew I should have taken "Crack of Doom". That would at least made the googling interesting.... ;-P
Post edited March 28, 2012 by SimonG
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: I never commented on the morality of downloading such software, merely the legality.
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StingingVelvet: You said it was the same as outright piracy, which is morally much more "wrong."
Yes, it is outright piracy. That is why the term abandonware annoys me. It just exists to make people feel better about piracy. If you are going to do something, at least be honest about it. I am. Like I said, I'll be the first to admit I pirate stuff sometimes.

Seems to me the problem here is your own moral compass.
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Longcat: What games here came from abandonware sites because the originals were lost?

I never commented on the morality of downloading such software, merely the legality.

I'll be the first to admit I download loads of stuff. Doesn't make abandonware any less of a nonsense term.

And yeah, I'm familiar with floppy disks, since I remember a time before they even existed. All mine are safely backed up on modern digital hd's now, doesn't mean I distribute them on the web or that they are lost at all. Name a game that can't be bought on ebay or amazon.
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spinefarm: Go and buy me Karateka
So, your argument is; "I can't afford this, hence, I should get it for free"?

Go buy me a BMW.
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SimonG: http://homeoftheunderdogs.net/game.php?id=404

And that post wasn't specifically aimed at you, but while we are at it ;-).

Edit: I actually just went on Hotu, clicked "random game" and took the first that came up. Considering it's a LoTR game, it might just be around.
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Gremmi: Might be a bit out of the price range of most - http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Fellowship-Of-The-Ring-Software-Adventue-IBM-Vintage-PC-Game-/310373262641?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4843b02531#ht_2968wt_844

I only searched out of interest, though, it doesn't change your point - tonnes of stuff exists that you will literally not find anywhere, even on eBay or Amazon Marketplace. Try finding a copy of Alley Cat, for example. And even if you find it, try running it.
My point was not that you couldn't get your hands on a copy at any given time or at any given price. My point is that, legally, it is piracy.
Post edited March 28, 2012 by Longcat
Posted March 28, 2012
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StingingVelvet: You said it was the same as outright piracy, which is morally much more "wrong."
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Longcat: Yes, it is outright piracy. That is why the term abandonware annoys me. It just exists to make people feel better about piracy. If you are going to do something, at least be honest about it. I am. Like I said, I'll be the first to admit I pirate stuff sometimes.

Seems to me the problem here is your own moral compass.
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spinefarm: Go and buy me Karateka
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Longcat: So, your argument is; "I can't afford this, hence, I should get it for free"?

Go buy me a BMW.
Aw and you can afford buying a game for that price? And exactly how many of the users here will buy it for 400$? And this is ilegal selling too. The game cannot be bought from the Publisher/Developer ;) So your point is kinda....Look at me I have money to throw them at people :D
Post edited March 28, 2012 by spinefarm
Posted March 28, 2012
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Gremmi: snip
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SimonG: Damn! I knew I should have taken "Crack of Doom". That would at least made the googling interesting.... ;-P
Lol. I'm to busy to find you a copy right now. Maybe tomorrow.
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Longcat: Yes, it is outright piracy. That is why the term abandonware annoys me. It just exists to make people feel better about piracy. If you are going to do something, at least be honest about it. I am. Like I said, I'll be the first to admit I pirate stuff sometimes.

Seems to me the problem here is your own moral compass.


So, your argument is; "I can't afford this, hence, I should get it for free"?

Go buy me a BMW.
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spinefarm: Aw and you can afford buying a game for that price? And exactly how many of the users here will buy it for 400$? And this is ilegal selling too. The game cannot be bought from the Publisher/Developer ;) So your point is kinda....Look at me I have money to throw them at people :D
Nope, I can't afford it, nor can I justify spending that amount of money on a game. Doesn't mean I'm entitled to a free copy, nor that you are. It's still piracy. If you want to download something, go ahead, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Your argument about abandonware not being piracy, however, does.

Ps. It's not illegal to resell a game that you own an original copy of, FYI.
Post edited March 28, 2012 by Longcat
Posted March 28, 2012
I think the point others were making is that some abandonware sites (not all, but some) have a policy of preservation, rather than distribution. When I was a part of the original HOTU, we explicitly took down the downloads for anything that was found for sale, even if the original developer or publisher had long since vanished and it was literally just some guy selling his copy he found. Blankly going 'but it's still piracy' isn't a counterpoint to that, as they're all fully aware it is.
Posted March 28, 2012
Problem is some games are nowhere to get legaly and if is not possible to play it in this generation pc like for example eye of the beholder 3,5 disc maybe i can get it somewhere but i dont have a drive.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Gremmi: I think the point others were making is that some abandonware sites (not all, but some) have a policy of preservation, rather than distribution. When I was a part of the original HOTU, we explicitly took down the downloads for anything that was found for sale, even if the original developer or publisher had long since vanished and it was literally just some guy selling his copy he found. Blankly going 'but it's still piracy' isn't a counterpoint to that, as they're all fully aware it is.
The thing is that 1 copy don't really preserve the game... Just some guy making money with it... For me piracy do help for preservation of games. I made the whole thread cause it will be nice to have those games here... If they sell it ok...if they can put them for free it's ok too...
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Ps. It's not illegal to resell a game that you own an original copy of, FYI.
Not as easy as you think. Depends on country, method of distribution and DRM.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Nope, I can't afford it, nor can I justify spending that amount of money on a game. Doesn't mean I'm entitled to a free copy, nor that you are. It's still piracy. If you want to download something, go ahead, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Your argument about abandonware not being piracy, however, does.

Ps. It's not illegal to resell a game that you own an original copy of, FYI.
Yey if you make profit from this is not ilegal... and because of thinking like that we have shits like Tages,SecuROM....
Posted March 28, 2012
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Gremmi: I think the point others were making is that some abandonware sites (not all, but some) have a policy of preservation, rather than distribution. When I was a part of the original HOTU, we explicitly took down the downloads for anything that was found for sale, even if the original developer or publisher had long since vanished and it was literally just some guy selling his copy he found. Blankly going 'but it's still piracy' isn't a counterpoint to that, as they're all fully aware it is.
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spinefarm: The thing is that 1 copy don't really preserve the game... Just some guy making money with it... For me piracy do help for preservation of games. I made the whole thread cause it will be nice to have those games here... If they sell it ok...if they can put them for free it's ok too...
But again there, you're confusing morality and legality. GOG can't just put random games up, even for free, simply because they're on abandonware sites.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Gremmi: I think the point others were making is that some abandonware sites (not all, but some) have a policy of preservation, rather than distribution. When I was a part of the original HOTU, we explicitly took down the downloads for anything that was found for sale, even if the original developer or publisher had long since vanished and it was literally just some guy selling his copy he found. Blankly going 'but it's still piracy' isn't a counterpoint to that, as they're all fully aware it is.
Well, I have yet to see a game cease to exist because it was not "preserved" by an abandonware site. Just because it isn't up on the net, doesn't mean it's lost to humanity.

I can see how you are thinking you are doing a noble thing "preserving" games for future generations, but to me it seems like a means to justify yourselves. Like I said, it's the term that annoys me, not the fact that abandonware sites exist.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: I'll be the first to admit I download loads of stuff. Doesn't make abandonware any less of a nonsense term.
It's not a nonsense term; it's a descriptive term. It's so much easier than saying "software which can't be legally obtained anymore, other than as used copies" over and over.
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