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Posted March 28, 2012
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kalirion: Abandonware is a coined term, and has no legal definition. One man's "abandonware" is another man's "warez."
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StingingVelvet: You're the first person to ever say this. None of us knew this before.

Thank God you came along.
No you are just being grumpy again ;-P
Posted March 28, 2012
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SimonG: No you are just being grumpy again ;-P
I'm an asshole when I'm sane.
Posted March 28, 2012
Not this again.

Abandonware is a term coined so that people can feel better about distributing software that is still licensed. It's nonsense.

Most, if not all of the games you are talking about are still licensed to a company, even if the company that originally developed it does not exist anymore. Downloading and distributing such games is legally piracy equal to downloading a brand new game.

Just because you can't buy it anywhere anymore doesn't mean that it is all of a sudden magically 'free' and available for you to do whatever you want with.

Unless a game is officially freewared under a license like GPL, somebody still OWNS the right to that game. So, yes, linking to Abandonia is like linking to the pirate bay.

Period.

StingingVelvet: yes, you already know this. in the time I wrote this, six new posts were made. but I still think it can't be said often enough. some people never seem to grasp this concept.
Post edited March 28, 2012 by Longcat
Posted March 28, 2012
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kalirion: Abandonware is a coined term, and has no legal definition. One man's "abandonware" is another man's "warez."
It's a term that people use sometimes to justify pirating games

I actually remember on another online place, in a topic of GOG discussion, one person actually said:

"GOG Sells Abandonware, why should I pay for Abandonware?"

The stupidity and ignorance of that statement astounds me to this day
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Not this again.

Abandonware is a term coined so that people can feel better about distributing software that is still licensed. It's nonsense.

Most, if not all of the games you are talking about are still licensed to a company, even if the company that originally developed it does not exist anymore. Downloading and distributing such games is legally piracy equal to downloading a brand new game.

Just because you can't buy it anywhere anymore doesn't mean that it is all of a sudden magically 'free' and available for you to do whatever you want with.

Unless a game is officially freewared under a license like GPL, somebody still OWNS the right to that game. So, yes, linking to Abandonia is like linking to the pirate bay.

Period.
You need to get laid.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Not this again.

Abandonware is a term coined so that people can feel better about distributing software that is still licensed. It's nonsense.

Most, if not all of the games you are talking about are still licensed to a company, even if the company that originally developed it does not exist anymore. Downloading and distributing such games is legally piracy equal to downloading a brand new game.

Just because you can't buy it anywhere anymore doesn't mean that it is all of a sudden magically 'free' and available for you to do whatever you want with.

Unless a game is officially freewared under a license like GPL, somebody still OWNS the right to that game. So, yes, linking to Abandonia is like linking to the pirate bay.

Period.
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StingingVelvet: You need to get laid.
Not really. Two times a day is my limit.
Posted March 28, 2012
So, how about that Abandonia is also cultural preservation and even some of the games we see here came from Abanonware sites because the originals were lost.

There are plenty of games that are "gone forever" especially those only sold on disks (that blue thingy on your save button is a "disk", btw). If it wouldn't be for sites like "Hotu" of Abandonia many gamers, new and old, would never be in the position to enjoy those games.

People who consider downloading Abandonware morally bad really need the refocus their moral compass. And need to get laid.
Posted March 28, 2012
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SimonG: People who consider downloading Abandonware morally bad really need the refocus their moral compass. And need to get laid.
Preferably both at the same time.
Posted March 28, 2012
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SimonG: So, how about that Abandonia is also cultural preservation and even some of the games we see here came from Abanonware sites because the originals were lost.

There are plenty of games that are "gone forever" especially those only sold on disks (that blue thingy on your save button is a "disk", btw). If it wouldn't be for sites like "Hotu" of Abandonia many gamers, new and old, would never be in the position to enjoy those games.

People who consider downloading Abandonware morally bad really need the refocus their moral compass. And need to get laid.
This
Posted March 28, 2012
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SimonG: People who consider downloading Abandonware morally bad really need the refocus their moral compass. And need to get laid.
I wouldn't say it's morally good. It's morally justified. Not the same thing for me.
Posted March 28, 2012
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SimonG: People who consider downloading Abandonware morally bad really need the refocus their moral compass. And need to get laid.
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keeveek: I wouldn't say it's morally good. It's morally justified. Not the same thing for me.
Most of the new gamers don't even know what is DOS :D
Posted March 28, 2012
What games here came from abandonware sites because the originals were lost?

I never commented on the morality of downloading such software, merely the legality.

I'll be the first to admit I download loads of stuff. Doesn't make abandonware any less of a nonsense term.

And yeah, I'm familiar with floppy disks, since I remember a time before they even existed. All mine are safely backed up on modern digital hd's now, doesn't mean I distribute them on the web or that they are lost at all. Name a game that can't be bought on ebay or amazon.
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: Name a game that can't be bought on ebay or amazon.
http://homeoftheunderdogs.net/game.php?id=404

And that post wasn't specifically aimed at you, but while we are at it ;-).

Edit: I actually just went on Hotu, clicked "random game" and took the first that came up. Considering it's a LoTR game, it might just be around.
Post edited March 28, 2012 by SimonG
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: I never commented on the morality of downloading such software, merely the legality.
You said it was the same as outright piracy, which is morally much more "wrong."
Posted March 28, 2012
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Longcat: What games here came from abandonware sites because the originals were lost?

I never commented on the morality of downloading such software, merely the legality.

I'll be the first to admit I download loads of stuff. Doesn't make abandonware any less of a nonsense term.

And yeah, I'm familiar with floppy disks, since I remember a time before they even existed. All mine are safely backed up on modern digital hd's now, doesn't mean I distribute them on the web or that they are lost at all. Name a game that can't be bought on ebay or amazon.
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