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Posted February 19, 2012
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ktchong: Abandonia is basically a piracy website. What Abadonia is doing is very illegal.

Abandonia has been able to get away with first-degree piracy because publishers and copyright holders do not bother with old games that they no longer make and (they think) can no longer bring in any money. They have bigger fish to fry as they target piracy websites that are stealing their latest products. However, those publishers and companies still own the copyrights and trademarks to every single one of the games on Abadonia.

Regardless of what you think of piracy, what makes Abandonia unethical is that they are selling advertisement space and asking for "donations" with the copyrighted products they stole.
Abandonware sites were for a very long time (and still often are) the only place were you can get a lot of old gaming classics that have been abandoned by their right owners. If the right owners make their games legally available, I will consider pirating them unethical. But if the right owner don't care for them, I have no problem of having them on abandonware sites. And if those sites are making money for something I consider cultural preservation, I'm very cool about this.
Posted February 19, 2012
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ktchong: Regardless of what you think of piracy, what makes Abandonia unethical is that they are selling advertisement space and asking for "donations" with the copyrighted products they stole.
GOG is one of the companies that buy advertisement space on Abandonia.
Posted February 19, 2012
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ktchong: Abandonia is basically a piracy website. What Abadonia is doing is very illegal.

There is no such thing as "abondonware". Copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "abandonware". Abandonia has been able to get away with first-degree piracy because publishers and copyright holders do not bother with old games that they no longer make and (they think) can no longer bring in any money. They have bigger fish to fry as they target piracy websites that are stealing their latest products. However, those publishers and companies still own the copyrights and trademarks to every single one of the games on Abadonia.

Regardless of what you think of piracy, what makes Abandonia unethical is that they are selling advertisement space and asking for "donations" with the copyrighted products they stole.
Troll.

If you're going to poke your nose into things you don't need to make things up. There is no stealing involved at most this is copyright infringement. And they're able to get away with it because the owners of the copyright are no longer using their rights.

Now, if you have some evidence that they've been receiving DMCA take down notices, or similar, and ignoring them, you'd have a much stronger position.

Yes, abandonware isn't a current legal construct and hasn't been identified by courts, but it is a logical extension of laws governing property found in common law.

And again, they aren't asking for money to provide access to stolen goods, they're asking for money to pay for bandwidth provided.
Posted February 19, 2012
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If you're going to poke your nose into things you don't need to make things up. There is no stealing involved at most this is copyright infringement. And they're able to get away with it because the owners of the copyright are no longer using their rights.
Copyright infringement is stealing.

Just because the owners do not use their rights do not mean they lose those rights. e.g., Just because someone does not vote does not mean he loses the right to vote.

But hey, seeing that you're from China, I can understand you are clueless about copyright... or just the concept of any "right" in general, i.e., human rights, rights to practice religions, rights to free speech, right to say whatever that's on one's mind, right to disagree, right to speak one's mind freely and practice whatever belief without the fear of being locked up and tortured and mysteriously disappearing, etc.
Post edited February 19, 2012 by ktchong
Posted February 19, 2012
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ktchong: Copyright infringement is stealing.
No, Copyright infringement is copyright infringement.

And stealing is stealing.

And you are a troll.
Posted February 19, 2012

If you're going to poke your nose into things you don't need to make things up. There is no stealing involved at most this is copyright infringement. And they're able to get away with it because the owners of the copyright are no longer using their rights.
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ktchong: Copyright infringement is stealing.

Just because the owners do not use their rights do not mean they lose those rights. e.g., Just because someone does not vote does not mean he loses the right to vote.

But hey, seeing that you're from China, I can understand you are clueless about copyright... or just the basic concept of any "right" in general.
No, it isn't stealing, it's infringement. I happen to be American, you racist jerk.

Look, theft has a very specific definition and this isn't it. The original owner isn't being deprived of it's use, therefor it cannot be theft.
Posted February 19, 2012
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ktchong: But hey, seeing that you're from China, I can understand you are clueless about copyright... or just the concept of any "right" in general
Great comeback there brah.
Post edited February 19, 2012 by lowyhong
Posted February 19, 2012
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SimonG: Abandonware sites were for a very long time (and still often are) the only place were you can get a lot of old gaming classics that have been abandoned by their right owners.
Indeed. And the cultural and artistic need to keep these games alive in some way takes precedence over ancient copyrights that have been abandoned in any ethics or morality argument.

I love people who argue the law is right all the time. "Slavery is fine Mr. Jefferson, it's legal!" Think outside the lines occasionally, it will do you good ktchong.
Posted February 19, 2012
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ktchong: Copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "abandonware".
Copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "breakfast" either. Is there such a thing as "breakfast"?
Posted February 19, 2012
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Barefoot_Monkey: Copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "breakfast" either. Is there such a thing as "breakfast"?
Oh my god, what did I just eat!?

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ktchong: But hey, seeing that you're from China, I can understand you are clueless about copyright... or just the concept of any "right" in general, i.e., human rights, rights to practice religions, rights to free speech, right to say whatever that's on one's mind, right to disagree, right to speak one's mind freely and practice whatever belief without the fear of being locked up and tortured and mysteriously disappearing, etc.
Oh so you're not a troll, you're just an idiot. Good job thou, I've never called someone names on these forums before.
Posted February 19, 2012
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*shakes head*

Just to prove ktchong even more wrong: we have an understanding with most publishers (combined under the ESA) that we CAN host these games. They're well aware of our existence and merely ask we follow a few rules concerning what games we upload. These rules are set on a publisher-basis: some don't tolerate any games (like LucasArts) while others say "anything over 10 years is fine" and others are happy with anything older than just 5 years.
Posted February 19, 2012
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Fenixp: Oh my god, what did I just eat!?
Given that you wrote this shortly before 2pm Czech time, my first guess is "lunch".
Posted February 19, 2012
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Barefoot_Monkey: Given that you wrote this shortly before 2pm Czech time, my first guess is "lunch".
Well I woke up an hour ago, but ... Good point :D
Posted February 19, 2012
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Fenixp: Well I woke up an hour ago, but ... Good point :D
You woke up an hour ago....
You still have sex with your wife...

Let me guess - no kids yet?
[envious look] :-P
Posted February 19, 2012
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tburger: ...
That's what you call an 'Educated guess' I suppose :-P Yea, no kids yet. Me and my wife wish to keep living lives for some more time :D
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