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flashpulse: You guys speak with no knowledge. Everything changed when Adam and eve sinned and were banished from the garden. Seriously people, go study before you open your mouths.
The same mistakes are in the genome of animals and plantlife.

Besides, the oh all powerful god has created the earth and the life on it, to be (somehow) surprised by Adam and Eve sinning, so he corrupted gene pools of everything living on Earth for reasons? Which then led to Adam and Eve starting populating earth by what would be the biggest incest in history? Quite frankly, you are openly turning your god into a complete idiot.
Post edited January 31, 2014 by Fenixp
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flashpulse: Seriously people, go study before you open your mouths.
I hope the irony's not lost on you.
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flashpulse: You guys speak with no knowledge. Everything changed when Adam and eve sinned and were banished from the garden. Seriously people, go study before you open your mouths.
rofl, says the guy who claimed that carbon dating does not work because kent govind said so. Says the guy who claimed there nothing older than 5000 years. And when you are corrected you simply ignore it.
Also says the guy that catholics aren't christian.
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DrYaboll: I am just gonna reply to this as I dont have time to respond properly.

You and I clearly have a different definition of [unqeustionable] evidence (proof). An evidence would be a clear proof for their existence: a footstep marked in stone, fossilized skeletons on some other planet (evidence of past existence) or direct contact with them (a photo, a specimen brought to earth, an alien spaceship etc etc), with none of which did we come across.
You're talking about direct evidence, but there is also indirect evidence where the truth of something can be inferred from other facts. The size of the universe is indirect evidence for the existence of aliens because you are inferring from that that aliens exist. Evidence can always be misinterpreted, so at most we can be very confident that what we think the evidence indicates to be true corresponds to objective reality. As a result, evidence can be misinterpreted to indicate thing that are true that are actually false, but that doesn't disqualify us from It being evidence for that. In other words, the size of the universe is evidence for the existence of aliens regardless of whether or not it is objectively true that they exist.
......and no, I dont deem as evidence statements of some lunatics who claim that they've been kidnapped by aliens etc, as they dont have anything credible, unquestionable to back their statements with (same as you, lol).
Even with people who we consider to be lunatics, there is something that caused them to believe that they were kidnapped by aliens, and whatever that is, it is evidence for their belief. However, as I said, having evidence for something does not mean it is objectively true. It could conceivably be the case that it is true that they were kidnapped by aliens, but we must still evaluate this evidence in light of other evidence that gives us much stronger reasons to doubt their credibility until they have produced stronger evidence.
What I've presented is an unproven theory, an assumption, without any evidence to back it with.

You can also take this as an indirect response to some of the other statements.

Someone thinking that sth is true =/= evidence.
(www.dictionary.com)
ev·i·dence [ev-i-duhns]
noun
1. that which tends to prove or disprove something; ground for belief; proof.
2. something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: His flushed look was visible evidence of his fever.

Evidence is what indicates to us that something is true, but it might not indicate that it is true strongly enough to justify your belief. At the point that you think is strong enough to justify your belief, it has become ground for your belief and you consider it to be proved. Again, the things that you consider to be proved do not necessarily have to correspond to objective reality. Furthermore, it would not be possible for someone to think sth is true without anything indicating to them that it is true.
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jamotide: Says the guy who claimed there nothing older than 5000 years.
13 000 years, man.
Post edited January 31, 2014 by Fenixp
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pimpmonkey2382: Also says the guy that catholics aren't christian.
But of course, no true Scotsman yadda-yadda-yadda *continue to rationalize*
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Soyeong: ...
I'm fairly sure what Soyeong here is talking about is second-hand evidence, which is a form of evidence. Its trustworthiness is, of course, another discussion entirely - but it is valid nonetheless.
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pimpmonkey2382: Also says the guy that catholics aren't christian.
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Shaolin_sKunk: But of course, no true Scotsman yadda-yadda-yadda *continue to rationalize*
Exactly.
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jamotide: Religious people I ask you this: Even if the theories of evolution,general relativity and heliocentricity are proven false tomorrow, how does that help your cause?
It does not follow that any other theory is correct. I would simply mean we have no idea what happens. I wonder why this is so important to you.
I wonder why you don't do it like the pope or the church of England "Meh who cares, we'll just say god did it"
I'm not sure what general relativity or helicentricity has to do with anything, but there are people who think that evolution contradicts Genesis. According to them, if evolution were shown to be false, then there would no longer be a mainstream interpretation of biology that indicates Genesis to be false. You are absolutely correct that it wouldn't mean that Christianity is correct, but it would dismantle one of the reasons for rejecting Christianity.
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jamotide: Religious people I ask you this: Even if the theories of evolution,general relativity and heliocentricity are proven false tomorrow, how does that help your cause?
It does not follow that any other theory is correct. I would simply mean we have no idea what happens. I wonder why this is so important to you.
I wonder why you don't do it like the pope or the church of England "Meh who cares, we'll just say god did it"
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Soyeong: I'm not sure what general relativity or helicentricity has to do with anything, but there are people who think that evolution contradicts Genesis. According to them, if evolution were shown to be false, then there would no longer be a mainstream interpretation of biology that indicates Genesis to be false. You are absolutely correct that it wouldn't mean that Christianity is correct, but it would dismantle one of the reasons for rejecting Christianity.
No because there would still be no hard verifiable proof in christianity.
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jamotide: theories of evolution
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Fenixp: Evolution is not considered a theory anymore; It's been observed on several occasions, proven, and is now considered a fact. Origin of species, that would be theory, but evolution itself isn't.
A "theory" is a term that means something different to people outside of science. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
Post edited January 31, 2014 by Soyeong
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Soyeong: I'm not sure what general relativity or helicentricity has to do with anything, but there are people who think that evolution contradicts Genesis. According to them, if evolution were shown to be false, then there would no longer be a mainstream interpretation of biology that indicates Genesis to be false. You are absolutely correct that it wouldn't mean that Christianity is correct, but it would dismantle one of the reasons for rejecting Christianity.
Why would evolution be used to reject christianity tho? As I said, claiming that evolution is actually a creation of God would make God seem wise, as opposed to ... Well, not really. I feel that, if incorporated correctly, christians were given one hell of a reason for most issues with organic life.

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Soyeong: A "theory" is a term that means something different to people outside of science. A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on knowledge that has been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experimentation.
Huh, I always thought scientific theory is actually a hypothesis confirmed by a lot of other pointers (like saying "The ball is round" would be hypothesis, saying "The balls is round because its shadow is round" would be theory as it is based on known facts, and theory repeatedly proven to be true becomes an accepted fact) I suppose I'll have to refresh my memory
Post edited January 31, 2014 by Fenixp
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Lionel212008: @on topic: I find it highly amusing when religious people, when they lack evidence resort to red herrings and ad hominem attacks. It only makes them lose credibility.
If you've spent any time on line, then you would see that non-religious people are at least just as guilty of doing that as well.
Post edited January 31, 2014 by Soyeong
Dawkins makes some good points tho, kinda agree with him here that people are not open to debate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8b3vhTO248