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Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: Who wrote the DNA code of every living being on this planet? Was God a programmer or was it just a freak accident?
A very good programmer. No one else could do it.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by flashpulse
Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: Who wrote the DNA code of every living being on this planet? Was God a programmer or was it just a freak accident?
Why do you assume "God" was the one responsible for every living being on this planet if we aren't all just the result of a freak accident?
Because the bible told you so?
Post edited January 30, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: Who wrote the DNA code of every living being on this planet? Was God a programmer or was it just a freak accident?
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monkeydelarge: Why do you assume "God" was the one responsible for every living being on this planet if we aren't all just the result of a freak accident?
Are you telling me, we are dumber then an accident? We can't created what is here on Earth. The complexity of everything that exist is too intelligent to be an accident.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by flashpulse
Posted January 30, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Why do you assume "God" was the one responsible for every living being on this planet if we aren't all just the result of a freak accident?
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flashpulse: Are you telling me, we are summer then an accident? We can't created what is here on Earth. The complexity of everything that exist is too intelligent to be an accident.
I agree but why assume "God" created us? What if, another god, as powerful as "God" created us? A god that loves us, protects us and doesn't think it's wrong for humans to be humans... A god that sees "fornication", being greedy and full of pride as natural. A god who accepts us for who we are. A god that doesn't scare us with a hell.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Take some reading comprehension courses. I said first "MAJOR ORGANIZED" version of christianity.
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flashpulse: And I'm telling you that they were not because what you say is not true. The Pope claims to be in place of GOD, therefor an anti-Christ, and killed many Christians so they couldn't read the Bibles for themselves. They wanted control, money and power. This is not Christianity nor anything Yeshua taught.
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pimpmonkey2382: Crusaders and their noble prosecutors.

Nope christianity is all about "Be good or you won't get into a happy place in the sky."
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flashpulse: Wrong again. We are sinners who can not get in heaven without the blood of Yeshua. Granted, we are taught to be better people but we are not holier then thou.
Wrong, wrong wrong. Catholicism is christianity too, no matter how much you dislike it.
Posted January 30, 2014
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flashpulse: Are you telling me, we are summer then an accident? We can't created what is here on Earth. The complexity of everything that exist is too intelligent to be an accident.
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monkeydelarge: I agree but why assume "God" created us?
Because it's a intelligent design. Put it this way...

If "evolution" was smart enough to create a man and a woman and knew that they had to lay together in order to create a baby... then "evolution" is GOD. Therefor GOD exist and He has a name.
Posted January 30, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I agree but why assume "God" created us?
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flashpulse: Because it's a intelligent design. Put it this way...

If "evolution" was smart enough to create a man and a woman and knew that they had to lay together in order to create a baby... then "evolution" is GOD. Therefor GOD exist and He has a name.
I edited my previous post to make it more clear.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: Who wrote the DNA code of every living being on this planet? Was God a programmer or was it just a freak accident?
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flashpulse: A very good programmer. No one else could do it.
I hate using wiki, but your ignorance and your ass is showing.

Catholicism (from Greek καθολικισμός, catholikismos, "according to the whole") is a broad term for describing specific traditions in the Christian churches in theology and doctrine, liturgy, ethics and spirituality. For many the term usually refers to Christians and churches, western and eastern, in full communion with the Holy See, usually known as the Catholic Church or the Roman Catholic Church.
Posted January 30, 2014
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flashpulse: And I'm telling you that they were not because what you say is not true. The Pope claims to be in place of GOD, therefor an anti-Christ, and killed many Christians so they couldn't read the Bibles for themselves. They wanted control, money and power. This is not Christianity nor anything Yeshua taught.

Wrong again. We are sinners who can not get in heaven without the blood of Yeshua. Granted, we are taught to be better people but we are not holier then thou.
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pimpmonkey2382: Wrong, wrong wrong. Catholicism is christianity too, no matter how much you dislike it.
It doesn't matter if I dislike it or not. Two different beliefs mean to different group of people. You wouldn't call a Muslim a Christian even though they believe in Yeshua in a different way, would you?
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Wrong, wrong wrong. Catholicism is christianity too, no matter how much you dislike it.
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flashpulse: It doesn't matter if I dislike it or not. Two different beliefs mean to different group of people. You wouldn't call a Muslim a Christian even though they believe in Yeshua in a different way, would you?
Totally different religions and not at all relevant.
Posted January 30, 2014
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DrYaboll: 1. Really? You should check up your definition of proof / evidence, and compare yours to the scientific one.
Literally anything could be a confirmation of truth, if thats what the person wants to see. Do I really need to give you examples of this?
People used to believe that earth is a flat surface, obviously they had some reasoning behind it. So, do you believe them? Do you think their supposed evidence, their proofs are credible? Do you think the earth is flat? After all, they had some factors indicating it to them, lol.
Contrary to modern myth, the flat Earth was never a widespread belief. For instance, the mast of a ship going below the horizon is evidence that the Earth is round. There are people who think the earth is flat, so there is evidence there it is flat, but that needs to be evaluated against the much stronger evidence that the Earth is round.
2. Point being? I guess that they have really killed him. Well, that doesnt prove that he actually came back from the dead. Also, the fact that they werent slouches, doesnt really mean much, does it? Do you think in a criminal investigation, the approach is as the one you've presented? "They werent slouches, then there's 0% chance of a fk up".
So that statement doesnt make sense no matter how you look at it (as in, I dont see it as a compelling argument).
When you read the description that Jesus was stabbed in the side with a spear and fluid and blood came out, that means he was dead. Of course that doesn't prove he resurrected, but it puts an end to swoon theories.
3. I've pretty much explained it it *1
Anything can by a piece of evidence for anyone. If it's actually 'legit' evidence, is a completely separate matter.
The issue is that everything we think is true as based upon what we consider to be legit evidence. If we didn't think there was legit evidence, then we wouldn't have thought that it was true in the first place.
4. Belief and knowledge are 2 separate things. Lets say someone does something bad. You have your suspicions, based on sth, so you may believe that this person is guilty, but you cant say that you know it. Without hard evidence there can be no talk about knowledge in the strict sense.
Of course if you have a strong belief in sth, then even the smallest thing might turn into hard evidence in your eyes.
If you have suspicions then there is evidence that has indicated to you that they have probably done something bad. If the evidence for your suspicions is strong enough for you to believe that they did it, then it is also strong enough to have knowledge that they did.

A better example would be if a friend told you that they did tests on an old bridge and that it is safe to cross. This would give you knowledge that it was safe, but you wouldn't actually believe it was safe unless you were willing to cross it. You wouldn't have faith in your friend until you had crossed it.
5. Wut? It was merely an example of my non-believing attitude. I dont know, but I presume that children are supposed to believe in santa, at least judging it by all these chrissmassy movies etc. I don't know, maybe I wasnt unique, maybe there are no children who believe in him. I know that I didnt.
I have never believed in god either, I just went to church cos that was the thing to do.
You are correct that some children take Christmas movies to be evidence for Santa's existence. However, there is much stronger evidence for the resurrection of Jesus, so to compare the two beliefs is really to say that you have no idea why Christians believe.
6. I didnt contradict myself, at least not in that matter, as I did not present any evidence for their existence, only my take on the subject, using simple logic - if a process has happened once, then it means that it is possible, so taking in consideration the scale of the universe, the posibility turns into a really high propability.
Again, here you are listing the things that indicate to you a high probability that aliens exist, so that's evidence for their existence.
Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: Who wrote the DNA code of every living being on this planet? Was God a programmer or was it just a freak accident?
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monkeydelarge: Why do you assume "God" was the one responsible for every living being on this planet if we aren't all just the result of a freak accident?
Because the bible told you so?
Srsly does it matter what name you put? The debate is "God vs freak accident", if you don't like the name god what do you want me to do with it? Come with a better name?
Posted January 30, 2014
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flashpulse: Because it's a intelligent design. Put it this way...

If "evolution" was smart enough to create a man and a woman and knew that they had to lay together in order to create a baby... then "evolution" is GOD. Therefor GOD exist and He has a name.
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monkeydelarge: I edited my previous post to make it more clear.
No, there can be only one. Else jealousy would take place and they would fight like we do. Why do you think the Devil is in the position he's in now? He thought he could be GOD but that's just not possible.
Posted January 30, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I edited my previous post to make it more clear.
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flashpulse: No, there can be only one. Else jealousy would take place and they would fight like we do. Why do you think the Devil is in the position he's in now? He thought he could be GOD but that's just not possible.
How do you know this? Were you there, did you see the devil throw a temper tantrum?
Posted January 30, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Why do you assume "God" was the one responsible for every living being on this planet if we aren't all just the result of a freak accident?
Because the bible told you so?
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nadenitza: Srsly does it matter what name you put? The debate is "God vs freak accident", if you don't like the name god what do you want me to do with it? Come with a better name?
Why assume there is only one god and that god is the god in the bible? Why can't I debate what I want to debate?
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