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Posted January 30, 2014
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BuzzLightyear2: The Bible functions in the same manner; that is, it provides us with secondhand information about events which we have not witnessed.
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DrYaboll: How about the Lord of The Rings? Can I actually go to middle earth and drink some dwarvish ale?
Haha, sadly no. :)

I guess what it really boils down to is this: do you believe the Bible to be true and therefore the inspired work of God, or a marvelous work of fiction?
Posted January 30, 2014
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DrYaboll: How about the Lord of The Rings? Can I actually go to middle earth and drink some dwarvish ale?
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BuzzLightyear2: Haha, sadly no. :)

I guess what it really boils down to is this: do you believe the Bible to be true and therefore the inspired work of God, or a marvelous work of fiction?
A tool to keep people in line, but fiction none the less.
Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: What's the cure?
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scampywiak: A pair of balls and self honesty, something religious nutjobs are incapable of. They'd rather blow shit up than admit the truth - it's all a male-centric fantasy. Go get your 72 virgins,
You seem to hate em quite a lot but what's your self honesty anyway?
Posted January 30, 2014
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Krypsyn: An Agnostic. Or, if you want to be cool like me (heh), an Existentialist.
You do realize "Existentialist" has the prefix "Exist". So you exist because...
Even the trees have roots. That's the stupidest name to describe a belief or person. We all exist.
Posted January 30, 2014
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BuzzLightyear2: Haha, sadly no. :)

I guess what it really boils down to is this: do you believe the Bible to be true and therefore the inspired work of God, or a marvelous work of fiction?
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pimpmonkey2382: A tool to keep people in line, but fiction none the less.
This.
So true.
All the bible and religion are is control. By someone else. Who is richer than you.
So say goodbye to your independence if you believe in the Bible.
Posted January 30, 2014
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Krypsyn: Err, no? The Inquisition forced the confessions, and these confessions are what ultimately destroyed the Templars. The Pope eventually pardoned them of heresy, but it was too little, too late; Philip already had enough reason to kill them off totally.

As it pertains to my argument, it doesn't matter either way. I was merely pointing out the irony of the situation regarding the Knights Templar; they lived and died by the politics surrounding the Papacy. In all of these shenanigans the Bible is little more than a footnote, imho.
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pimpmonkey2382: Well I did say I could be mistaken, but I believe the pope interrogated them or whatever first and declared them innocent.
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flashpulse: Oh yes, an item that no one knows how it was created is being called a forgery. You do realize a "forgery" is a false copy or duplicate of something else? If there's only one and no one knows how it was created, it can't be a forgery.
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pimpmonkey2382: It was made in the middle ages, a little late for little meek and mild yet will send you to hell, jesus.

I guess the right word would be hoax, for the people trying to link it to jesus.
And it carries pollen only found in Israel because?
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: You just said early christianity. You didn't specify which, even then it doesn't matter crimes happened in the name of your religion. Trying to distance yourself and say they weren't being christianly is quite arrogant because how do you KNOW that your exact opinion is the correct one and everyone else is wrong?
There are documents that written by people during the Inquisition the Crusades that tell us something called information about that was happening at the time. It's far better to read those or read someone who has read those than to unquestioningly buy into what Hollywood says happened.

Generally, it best to call something Christian if it aligns with what Christianity teaches.

However, can my point was that there were a number of factors, and few of which would have made it extremely difficult for Christianity to have survived its inception if Jesus had not risen from the dead, but combined together make it nearly impossible. Bringing up any number of things done in the name of Christianity after Christianity has been established hundreds of years later is irrelevant to that point.

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.php
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: A tool to keep people in line, but fiction none the less.
Well, if you believe in God, you will want to obey His commands. Of course, that does not always happen.

I agree with you that religion has been used to control and even brainwash people, such as the Catholic church during the Middle Ages, Hinduism in India, and Christianity by various people such as Jim Jones.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: A tool to keep people in line, but fiction none the less.
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BuzzLightyear2: Well, if you believe in God, you will want to obey His commands. Of course, that does not always happen.

I agree with you that religion has been used to control and even brainwash people, such as the Catholic church during the Middle Ages, Hinduism in India, and Christianity by various people such as Jim Jones.
Side note, catholics are christians.
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pimpmonkey2382: You just said early christianity. You didn't specify which, even then it doesn't matter crimes happened in the name of your religion. Trying to distance yourself and say they weren't being christianly is quite arrogant because how do you KNOW that your exact opinion is the correct one and everyone else is wrong?
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Soyeong: There are documents that written by people during the Inquisition the Crusades that tell us something called information about that was happening at the time. It's far better to read those or read someone who has read those than to unquestioningly buy into what Hollywood says happened.

Generally, it best to call something Christian if it aligns with what Christianity teaches.

However, can my point was that there were a number of factors, and few of which would have made it extremely difficult for Christianity to have survived its inception if Jesus had not risen from the dead, but combined together make it nearly impossible. Bringing up any number of things done in the name of Christianity after Christianity has been established hundreds of years later is irrelevant to that point.

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.php
EVERY christian has different opinion on what it teaches, and they can litterally point out passages that back up their views. Again, what gives you the right to judge other christians?
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Posted January 30, 2014
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Krypsyn: An Agnostic. Or, if you want to be cool like me (heh), an Existentialist.
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Conrad57: Yeah, technically, you're agnostic if that's the whole story above.
Do good research when you have questions.
And no, it does not make you weak. :)
If you refuse to look things up that are presented to you, and carefully consider them, and learn how to carefully consider them (e.g. take things in context), then that's weak, like what others said here today--that they wouldn't ever look that evidence I might bring them. That's weak. You being unsure right now? No.

Missing the gym makes me weak :)
I seek the truth... what would i regard as weak is finding comfort in something you are not 100% sure and you can't back with evidence - be that belief of disbelief.
Posted January 30, 2014
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BuzzLightyear2: Well, if you believe in God, you will want to obey His commands. Of course, that does not always happen.

I agree with you that religion has been used to control and even brainwash people, such as the Catholic church during the Middle Ages, Hinduism in India, and Christianity by various people such as Jim Jones.
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pimpmonkey2382: Side note, catholics are christians.
I was referring to Protestant Christianity.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Well I did say I could be mistaken, but I believe the pope interrogated them or whatever first and declared them innocent.

It was made in the middle ages, a little late for little meek and mild yet will send you to hell, jesus.

I guess the right word would be hoax, for the people trying to link it to jesus.
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flashpulse: And it carries pollen only found in Israel because?
You do know the crusades were in the middle ages, right?
Posted January 30, 2014
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scampywiak: All of Christian Europe overtaken by Muslim infidels...you must be joking. Islam had no chance of doing this. Good thing too, because the only religion worse than Christianity is Islam, born and bred in the middle ages, with all the values intact. Western Europe is currently finding out how insipid and destructive Islam is.
The Crusades are what stopped the advance of Islam, which is what triggered them in the first place.
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pimpmonkey2382: Some people will just stick their heads deeper in the sand...
You're free to do that if you don't want to look at contrary evidence.
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Posted January 30, 2014
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scampywiak: All of Christian Europe overtaken by Muslim infidels...you must be joking. Islam had no chance of doing this. Good thing too, because the only religion worse than Christianity is Islam, born and bred in the middle ages, with all the values intact. Western Europe is currently finding out how insipid and destructive Islam is.
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Soyeong: The Crusades are what stopped the advance of Islam, which is what triggered them in the first place.
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pimpmonkey2382: Some people will just stick their heads deeper in the sand...
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Soyeong: You're free to do that if you don't want to look at contrary evidence.
I wouldn't if there actually were evidence.
Posted January 30, 2014
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flashpulse: And it carries pollen only found in Israel because?
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pimpmonkey2382: You do know the crusades were in the middle ages, right?
There are other things that point it to the time of Yeshua. Have you even studied the Bible, Jewish tradition, etc. or do you just not want there to be a GOD, so Christians must be wrong?
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