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Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: I don't claim there is a god, yet i don't claim there isn't one either... what am i?
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scampywiak: Weak.
What's the cure?
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Yeah wasn't really the inquisition, it was the french king that put them down. The pope actually declared their innocence.
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monkeydelarge: Yeah, what a jealous asshat. During those days, unfortunately, people used the ignorance that goes hand in hand with Christianity to get people put to death and then take their stuff.
It was easy to manipulate the people when they weren't allowed to read the Bible, aside from not being able to.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: If i'm not totally mistaken, that's why the king just went through with his trial, because the pope declared them innocent of all charges if I remember the chinon parchment correctly.
You could be right. Either way, the pope later ended up buckling under to the king's pressure and abandoning the Templars to the mercy of the king's wrath.
Posted January 30, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Yeah, what a jealous asshat. During those days, unfortunately, people used the ignorance that goes hand in hand with Christianity to get people put to death and then take their stuff.
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Conrad57: It was easy to manipulate the people when they weren't allowed to read the Bible, aside from not being able to.
Yeah then once we read the bible, we'll find excuses to own slaves, awesome!
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: No, supernatural is basically anything outside the universe (ghosts, god, jesus resurrecting), there's not one shred of proof or evidence that those things can happen. But once a brain is destroyed, you might as well give up after that. And after 3 days of being dead, that chance is 0.
Well, if the supernatural is outside the universe, then it transcends our understanding. While there is no proof that a resurrection can happen, whose to say that it cannot? After all, if God exists, which I believe He does, He created man from the dust of the ground. If He can do that, why could he not resurrect someone?

To better illustrate this, let me use an example. I have never seen a solar eclipse, but I know that they are real because others have observed them and written about them. The Bible functions in the same manner; that is, it provides us with secondhand information about events which we have not witnessed.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: If i'm not totally mistaken, that's why the king just went through with his trial, because the pope declared them innocent of all charges if I remember the chinon parchment correctly.
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Coelocanth: You could be right. Either way, the pope later ended up buckling under to the king's pressure and abandoning the Templars to the mercy of the king's wrath.
Agreed.
Posted January 30, 2014
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nadenitza: I don't claim there is a god, yet i don't claim there isn't one either... what am i?
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Krypsyn: An Agnostic. Or, if you want to be cool like me (heh), an Existentialist.
Yeah, technically, you're agnostic if that's the whole story above.
Do good research when you have questions.
And no, it does not make you weak. :)
If you refuse to look things up that are presented to you, and carefully consider them, and learn how to carefully consider them (e.g. take things in context), then that's weak, like what others said here today--that they wouldn't ever look that evidence I might bring them. That's weak. You being unsure right now? No.

Missing the gym makes me weak :)
Post edited January 30, 2014 by Conrad57
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: No, supernatural is basically anything outside the universe (ghosts, god, jesus resurrecting), there's not one shred of proof or evidence that those things can happen. But once a brain is destroyed, you might as well give up after that. And after 3 days of being dead, that chance is 0.
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BuzzLightyear2: Well, if the supernatural is outside the universe, then it transcends our understanding. While there is no proof that a resurrection can happen, whose to say that it cannot? After all, if God exists, which I believe He does, He created man from the dust of the ground. If He can do that, why could he not resurrect someone?

To better illustrate this, let me use an example. I have never seen a solar eclipse, but I know that they are real because others have observed them and written about them. The Bible functions in the same manner; that is, it provides us with secondhand information about events which we have not witnessed.
No because the bible itself makes baseless claims. And an eclipse can be observed and experimented, none of the claims in the bible can be.
Posted January 30, 2014
@ Conrad57

Excellent responses! :)
Post edited January 30, 2014 by BuzzLightyear2
Posted January 30, 2014
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BuzzLightyear2: The Bible functions in the same manner; that is, it provides us with secondhand information about events which we have not witnessed.
How about the Lord of The Rings? Can I actually go to middle earth and drink some dwarvish ale?
Posted January 30, 2014
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BuzzLightyear2: The Bible functions in the same manner; that is, it provides us with secondhand information about events which we have not witnessed.
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DrYaboll: How about the Lord of The Rings? Can I actually go to middle earth and drink some dwarvish ale?
I hang out at hobbit brothels all the time.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Nope, the pope declared it first, so the french king went through with his anyway.
Err, no? The Inquisition forced the confessions, and these confessions are what ultimately destroyed the Templars. The Pope eventually pardoned them of heresy, but it was too little, too late; Philip already had enough reason to kill them off totally.

As it pertains to my argument, it doesn't matter either way. I was merely pointing out the irony of the situation regarding the Knights Templar; they lived and died by the politics surrounding the Papacy. In all of these shenanigans the Bible is little more than a footnote, imho.
Posted January 30, 2014
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flashpulse: Shroud of Turin.

Oh, and it can't be carbon dated as it has been handled by too many people throughout the years.
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pimpmonkey2382: Rofl, medieval forgeries. Yes it can.
Oh yes, an item that no one knows how it was created is being called a forgery. You do realize a "forgery" is a false copy or duplicate of something else? If there's only one and no one knows how it was created, it can't be a forgery.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Nope, the pope declared it first, so the french king went through with his anyway.
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Krypsyn: Err, no? The Inquisition forced the confessions, and these confessions are what ultimately destroyed the Templars. The Pope eventually pardoned them of heresy, but it was too little, too late; Philip already had enough reason to kill them off totally.

As it pertains to my argument, it doesn't matter either way. I was merely pointing out the irony of the situation regarding the Knights Templar; they lived and died by the politics surrounding the Papacy. In all of these shenanigans the Bible is little more than a footnote, imho.
Well I did say I could be mistaken, but I believe the pope interrogated them or whatever first and declared them innocent.
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pimpmonkey2382: Rofl, medieval forgeries. Yes it can.
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flashpulse: Oh yes, an item that no one knows how it was created is being called a forgery. You do realize a "forgery" is a false copy or duplicate of something else? If there's only one and no one knows how it was created, it can't be a forgery.
It was made in the middle ages, a little late for little meek and mild yet will send you to hell, jesus.

I guess the right word would be hoax, for the people trying to link it to jesus.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by pimpmonkey2382
Posted January 30, 2014
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scampywiak: Weak.
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nadenitza: What's the cure?
A pair of balls and self honesty, something religious nutjobs are incapable of. They'd rather blow shit up than admit the truth - it's all a male-centric fantasy. Go get your 72 virgins,
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