You're a Nadenitza. :P

I know. All that wealth in the hands of the Knights Templar is why they were destroyed. A French King got jealous and wanted their wealth for himself. So then, all of a sudden, the Knights Templar were accused of being a cult of devil worshipers and every member was imprisoned, tortured and killed. Some just killed, like their leader Jacques de Molay. But the French King underestimated Jacques de Molay.

An agnositc.

Yeah wasn't really the inquisition, it was the french king that put them down. The pope actually declared their innocence.

Yeah, what a jealous asshat. During those days, unfortunately, people used the ignorance that goes hand in hand with Christianity to get people put to death and then take their stuff.

Both sides were asshats in that whole ordeal.

The pope declared them* innocent of heresy, but they were still found to be guilty of other charges (related to the practices of initiation into the Templar order).

*It was actually de Molay that was on trial.

Interestingly, the story is that de Molay cursed the king and the pope when he was burning at the stake (If memory serves, the king decided to burn him despite the dismissal of the heresy charge), saying they would be dead within a year. One died within a month and the other within two months. Kind of a cool story, if one ignores the gruesome injustice of it.

It was the Inquisition at the behest of the French King the brought the Templars down. From the wiki What the Pope declared after the deed was done is largely irrelevant.

Not if I remember correctly, they were declared innocent of all charges if I remember right. And that curse thing is mostly looked on as a myth.
Nope, the pope declared it first, so the french king went through with his anyway.

As to extraterrestrials - the explaination is in my previous post.

As to the accusation - that is not true. I would actually prefer to believe in god. Being an atheist really isnt so dandy. Do you know what happens when I die ? I rot. There is nothing. Do you think that is a nice perspective?

I believe that there is no higher being, no higher purpose. Do you think that is a nice perspective? Oh, how nice would it be that there is a god, and everything really has a deeper sense, purpose, its part of gods genious plan.

I've tried to convince myself numerous time to believe in it, but I cant. How can I, having no basis for such a belief.

So extraterrestrials arent really a contradiction. I know that it has happened once, there is hard evidence of life on earth ;]
So I am absolutely certain that life is possible. I have a basis, which combined with the size of the universe, imo makes it higly likely that extraterrestrials exist. Thats not to say, that we'll ever come in contact with them, I have no idea.
After all, the observable universe is huge,and there is much more beyond that, and our technology doesnt even enable us to explore our own galaxy (only to an extremely small degree). Even reaching speed of light wouldnt help much, the universe is that big.

I'm pretty sure it was just the heresy charge. I was actually watching a program on tv today that dealt with this. Alas, I was only half paying attention.

Aye, that's why I said 'the story is...' ;)

Weak.

You'll have to be more specific. How do I know which thing? That the glorified body is a different re-creation of the earthly body? What are you referring to?

Make sure you're about to argue something that any evidence is permitted except the testimonies presented in the Bible. That's intellectually dishonest. That's like someone saying to prove evolution but you're not allowed to refer to fossil evidence or genetics (old and new testaments).

However, I haven't finished responding yet to your earlier straw-man accusations. Yes, you made straw-man arguments by accusations within questions. Also, I must leave for the gym in a few minutes, so I won't be here to finish up with you. Sorry.

I do understand how much you have your head in the sand. See, you used that cliche, but the cliche is about deliberate ignorance, the thing you participated in when you said you wouldn't look at anything I'd give reference to. So, really, while some might say that conversing with you is worthless endeavor, being able to publicly explain these things for other to read is not a worthless endeavor. THanks for the opportunity. You've demonstrated multiple fallacies that are useful to call out. If you refuse to examine the things I would present, then you don't have the basis to critique.

I've been on 2 threads at once and repeatedly accidentally erased unfinished responses by hitting reply in the other thread. That's why a few things didnt' get answered yet. Sorry.

Ok, gotta get to the gym. G'Night.

If i'm not totally mistaken, that's why the king just went through with his trial, because the pope declared them innocent of all charges if I remember the chinon parchment correctly.