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Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: However, when you take them all together, it would have made it nearly impossible for Christianity to survive if Jesus had not risen from the dead. That doesn't prove that Jesus resurrected, but it should give us pause to consider that rejecting Christianity isn't as simple as doubting that a resurrection could happen.

Have to address this, it's only not simple to ancient illiterate jews in the bronze age. Resurrection is completely impossible, and is the foundation of christianity that jesus on a stick came back to life, we know that's impossible but those that believe refuse to acknowledge that.
Resurrection being impossible is why it's a miracle.

Not understanding that is as lame as saying that God can't exist because there isn't anywhere for Him to exist within time. God exists outside of time as the creator of everything, including time. Hawking didn't have the authority to put that limit on God. Nor do you, that resurrection is impossible. God does anything He wills that is in accord with his own nature (non-self contradictory). He doesn't bow to puny, post-modernist games. The problem is not that people refuse to acknowledge the miraculous nature of resurrection, but that you refuse to look at the evidence that a miracle ever happened. I suggest you read a few things, even though I dislike their publishing sources. Check out (wow, once again telling you to do research instead of wallowing in your own opinions) a little tiny book put out by , gulp, hank hannegraff. I'm no fan of hank, and can't spell his last name correctly. Anyway, most of his stuff that's any good is actually written by research employees and published by hank. So, while he's a bit questionable, the researchers who work for him do honest work. It's a little tiny book on the resurrection with a forward by (again, gulp) Lee Stroebel. Lee does honest work too, but for some lame reason he later became mixed up in the heretical (non-christian) "Purpose Driven" church movement. Ugh...

Off the top of my head (I'm waiting for a process to finish at work) I can't quite remember the other thing sot send you to. However, when I read your posts, I see a flaming ignorance of the evidence that's out there. However again, I did catch that I'm not reading too carefully and originally missed the first few sentences of this post. PLEAASE learn Textual Criticism and find out the evidence on which these things you slander are based.

Lastly, if I seem harsh, this is nothing. My harshest is reserved for Christians who deliberately keep themselves ignorant and call it "child-like faith." These Christians are usually genuinely faithful and really are saves, but they let themselves get deceived into all kinds of heresies. It's an in-house issue, but I wanted to let you know that there is where my flames really fly, and in person instead of on-line.

Well, my process is finished. I get to go home now. Have a good night. If you want real resources, PM me (do I have that turned on?) and I'll gather some links up.
Posted January 30, 2014
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/dont-masturbate-jesus-universe.jpg

Alright I'm done for a while. This is too easy. :)
Posted January 30, 2014
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scampywiak: snip
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pimpmonkey2382: Oh he will, but only the parts he approves of.
I don't know if that "he will" was directed at me, because of the edit. Just in case it was....

Only the parts I approve of? Oh hell no! It's not about if I approve of a part or not. Also, you should not assume such about me. You are dead wrong.

Give us a good explanation of OT Covenant theology (not New covenant, but understanding covenants in the OT) so we can see what you really understand. Back something up with text.


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p.s. go read the article and listen to the mp3. That'll fill about 90 minutes for you. Boy, I hope I gave the right mp3!!!
Post edited January 30, 2014 by Conrad57
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: However, when you take them all together, it would have made it nearly impossible for Christianity to survive if Jesus had not risen from the dead. That doesn't prove that Jesus resurrected, but it should give us pause to consider that rejecting Christianity isn't as simple as doubting that a resurrection could happen.

Have to address this, it's only not simple to ancient illiterate jews in the bronze age. Resurrection is completely impossible, and is the foundation of christianity that jesus on a stick came back to life, we know that's impossible but those that believe refuse to acknowledge that.
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Conrad57: Resurrection being impossible is why it's a miracle.

Not understanding that is as lame as saying that God can't exist because there isn't anywhere for Him to exist within time. God exists outside of time as the creator of everything, including time. Hawking didn't have the authority to put that limit on God. Nor do you, that resurrection is impossible. God does anything He wills that is in accord with his own nature (non-self contradictory). He doesn't bow to puny, post-modernist games. The problem is not that people refuse to acknowledge the miraculous nature of resurrection, but that you refuse to look at the evidence that a miracle ever happened. I suggest you read a few things, even though I dislike their publishing sources. Check out (wow, once again telling you to do research instead of wallowing in your own opinions) a little tiny book put out by , gulp, hank hannegraff. I'm no fan of hank, and can't spell his last name correctly. Anyway, most of his stuff that's any good is actually written by research employees and published by hank. So, while he's a bit questionable, the researchers who work for him do honest work. It's a little tiny book on the resurrection with a forward by (again, gulp) Lee Stroebel. Lee does honest work too, but for some lame reason he later became mixed up in the heretical (non-christian) "Purpose Driven" church movement. Ugh...

Off the top of my head (I'm waiting for a process to finish at work) I can't quite remember the other thing sot send you to. However, when I read your posts, I see a flaming ignorance of the evidence that's out there. However again, I did catch that I'm not reading too carefully and originally missed the first few sentences of this post. PLEAASE learn Textual Criticism and find out the evidence on which these things you slander are based.

Lastly, if I seem harsh, this is nothing. My harshest is reserved for Christians who deliberately keep themselves ignorant and call it "child-like faith." These Christians are usually genuinely faithful and really are saves, but they let themselves get deceived into all kinds of heresies. It's an in-house issue, but I wanted to let you know that there is where my flames really fly, and in person instead of on-line.

Well, my process is finished. I get to go home now. Have a good night. If you want real resources, PM me (do I have that turned on?) and I'll gather some links up.
"Miracles" don't exist either, only probabilities, but resurrection in it's entirety is impossible. I'm sorry but it didn't happen. It doesn't happen to 3 day old corpses that have been rotting (if he even existed at all.)
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pimpmonkey2382: Oh he will, but only the parts he approves of.
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Conrad57: I don't know if that "he will" was directed at me, because of the edit. Just in case it was....

Only the parts I approve of? Oh hell no! It's not about if I approve of a part or not. Also, you should not assume such about me. You are dead wrong.

Give us a good explanation of OT Covenant theology (not New covenant, but understanding covenants in the OT) so we can see what you really understand. Back something up with text.
Okay do you support the genocide, stoning of kids, adulterers and apostates from the OT? Or are you one of those types that basically says the OT is null and void (over half your holy book).
Post edited January 30, 2014 by pimpmonkey2382
Posted January 30, 2014
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Conrad57: ------------edit-------------

p.s. go read the article and listen to the mp3. That'll fill about 90 minutes for you. Boy, I hope I gave the right mp3!!!
I'd rather swallow thumbtacks. Thanks anyway.
Posted January 30, 2014
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Conrad57: ------------edit-------------

p.s. go read the article and listen to the mp3. That'll fill about 90 minutes for you. Boy, I hope I gave the right mp3!!!
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scampywiak: I'd rather swallow thumbtacks. Thanks anyway.
I think you're being a little harsh on thumbtacks.
Posted January 30, 2014
I'd rather have my dick stapled to the wall then to listen to anything Conrad would recommend.
Posted January 30, 2014
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Leucius: EDIT: I knew it wouldn't go over that well.
way to pussy out
Posted January 30, 2014
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Conrad57: The problem is not that people refuse to acknowledge the miraculous nature of resurrection, but that you refuse to look at the evidence that a miracle ever happened.
OK, let me see the evidence that it has actually happened.

....and no, some book in which someone wrote about this is not evidence. Anyone can write a book.

There is no evidence, and there never will be. Even if it was true, it would not be possible to find any, unless somebody invented a time machine, and you could actually see it with your own eyes (and have someone with medical expertise actually confirm the death, and not a death-like state, as can be seen eg. in cases of some poisons - extremely lowered heartrate, really shallow breathing etc, which might result that the person is deemed dead by an ordinary man).

Stop kidding yourself, you believe in god without having any base, any evidence for it. Thats what religion is all about - believing in stuff, without having any evidence.

Lol, If there was any credible evidence, you wouldnt even need to believe, would you? You would simply know it (as would everybody else).

I am a non believer, and I always was. I have never even believed in santa, or any other stuff like that.

Someone wants me to believe him, I either must really trust this person, or must be presented some evidence.
Unless that particular statement makes sense to me eg. there is no evidence for the existence of advanced extraterrestial life forms, but I think they exist (considering how big the universe is, it seems highly unlikely that Earth is the only inhabited blanet).
Post edited January 30, 2014 by DrYaboll
Posted January 30, 2014
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Leucius: EDIT: I knew it wouldn't go over that well.
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XC3N: way to pussy out
You would pussy out too if you had 1008 rep to lose.

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pimpmonkey2382: I'd rather have my dick stapled to the wall then to listen to anything Conrad would recommend.
Nevermind. I see now, he is one of those Christians who try to convert people.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: I'd rather have my dick stapled to the wall then to listen to anything Conrad would recommend.
So you guys (scampywiak) are being deliberately and willingly ignorant. That's just plugging your eyes and ears and going, "NANANANNANANANANAA."

How would you treat a Christian who behaved like you DO behave, if you were telling him to go read an article on archeology and evolution? Hypocrites...


I was in the middle of writing a response when I also started a response in another thread. Whoops, lost what I was writing! It'll take bit to regenerate. I hate how on a rewrite, you forget and skip a beat because you already wrote it once, but I'll do my best. Give me a few minutes.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: I'd rather have my dick stapled to the wall then to listen to anything Conrad would recommend.
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Conrad57: So you guys (scampywiak) are being deliberately and willingly ignorant. That's just plugging your eyes and ears and going, "NANANANNANANANANAA."

How would you treat a Christian who behaved like you DO behave, if you were telling him to go read an article on archeology and evolution? Hypocrites...

I was in the middle of writing a response when I also started a response in another thread. Whoops, lost what I was writing! It'll take bit to regenerate. I hate how on a rewrite, you forget and skip a beat because you already wrote it once, but I'll do my best. Give me a few minutes.
Yeah, we're the ones believing bronze age myths with no hard proof. Epitome of ignorant.
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: However, when you take them all together, it would have made it nearly impossible for Christianity to survive if Jesus had not risen from the dead. That doesn't prove that Jesus resurrected, but it should give us pause to consider that rejecting Christianity isn't as simple as doubting that a resurrection could happen.

Have to address this, it's only not simple to ancient illiterate jews in the bronze age. Resurrection is completely impossible, and is the foundation of christianity that jesus on a stick came back to life, we know that's impossible but those that believe refuse to acknowledge that.
Perhaps you'd like to share your evidence that shows that it is impossible for a resurrection to happen? The most that can be said is that a resurrection is beyond our experience, so that it is highly unlikely. That is not a good reason to dismiss them a priori.

FYI, they couldn't be illiterate if they were writing stuff down and illiterate does not mean unintelligent. Also, the Gospels were written during the iron age.

I'll continue to await your source for early Christians converting by the sword.
Posted January 30, 2014
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Soyeong: I'll continue to await your source for early Christians converting by the sword.
The crusades?
Posted January 30, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Have to address this, it's only not simple to ancient illiterate jews in the bronze age. Resurrection is completely impossible, and is the foundation of christianity that jesus on a stick came back to life, we know that's impossible but those that believe refuse to acknowledge that.
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jamotide: Well, people presumed dead when they were just unconcsious or in a coma happens all the time. To poor bronze age people without any medical technology this would surely be wondrous.

But it happens loads of times in the bible to many people, so I don't see why this is such a big deal to Seyong.
When you stick a spear in someone's side and and fluid comes out separated from blood, they're not in a coma, they're dead.
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