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iippo: If God exists beyond human comprehension, its real leap of faith to believe God shares human emotions and moral values. Deism perhaps?
I think God does not have human emotions, but behaves in ways that are analogous to human emotions.
Anyways, if God created -everything- (be it creationism or evolutions or something else) - i still think its kinda selfish to believe that humans are the closest to God. Such thinking seems very common to me.
I don't think whether or not it's selfish factors in to whether or not it's true. My belief in God stands or fall on the historicity of the resurrection of Jesus.
Ever heard of the term 'confirmation bias' ?

Everything you say is just the same old, same old "god in the gaps' argument put together in a twisted, haphazard fashion.

We must draw inferences from observation and thus arrive at a logical conclusion. Such a process is called ratiocination. Thus to believe in something without confirming its veracity is to lend credence to a pre-conceived notion.

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Soyeong: If God were contingent on something, then He would be dependent it for His existence, so He wouldn't actually be God. In other words, God being not contingent on anything is a necessary attribute for a being that corresponds to our idea of God, so it's not an attribute that's randomly made up because it sounds good.
I see, that is very smart! But it still does not stop me from making up gods like that. In fact, as it happens, team jamotide isn't contingent on anything. So you are saying your god is not a god because he is contingent on team jamotide which created him? Wow, what an admission!
Ever heard of the term 'confirmation bias' ?

Everything you say is just the same old, same old "god in the gaps' argument put together in a twisted, haphazard fashion.

We must draw inferences from observation and thus arrive at a logical conclusion. Such a process is called ratiocination. Thus to believe in something without confirming its veracity is to lend credence to a pre-conceived notion.

For your benefit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

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Post edited January 30, 2014 by Lionel212008
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Lionel212008: Ever heard of the term 'confirmation bias' ?

Everything you say is just the same old, same old "god in the gaps' argument put together in a twisted, haphazard fashion.

We must draw inferences from observation and thus arrive at a logical conclusion. Such a process is called ratiocination. Thus to believe in something without confirming its veracity is to lend credence to a pre-conceived notion.

For your benefit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_the_gaps

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Lionel212008:
Ok, so not only was all the old prophecies in the Bible come true, but an old prophecy has come to pass that you can see. Look at Israel, the Jews have gone back home. The one and only time something like this has ever happened in history. What are the odds of even just that one?
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Soyeong: One of the necessary attributes of God is that He is not contingent on anything, so if you're imagining a god that is made out of spaghetti, then it is contingent on matter for its existence, and the same argument does not work.
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Wishbone: Did God not make man in His image? Therefore, must God not look like a man? To look like a man, must he not be made out of matter? Or are you suggesting he is a hologram, and if so, what projects it?
There are a few interpretations on what it means to be made in His image. I think it refers to the immaterial part of man that sets us apart from the animal world, gives us dominion of the Earth, and allows us to commune with Him. So we are in His likeness mentally, morally, and socially.
God is Real.

...unless declared an integer.
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Soyeong: sets us apart from the animal world, gives us dominion of the Earth
Well at least we're not arrogant :-P
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Wishbone: Did God not make man in His image? Therefore, must God not look like a man? To look like a man, must he not be made out of matter? Or are you suggesting he is a hologram, and if so, what projects it?
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Soyeong: There are a few interpretations on what it means to be made in His image. I think it refers to the immaterial part of man that sets us apart from the animal world, gives us dominion of the Earth, and allows us to commune with Him. So we are in His likeness mentally, morally, and socially.
Very true. Now i have to get some sleep. For those who don't believe, I would say, study first, then come to a conclusion. I study everything, even if it's not "GODLY" so to speak. Just so I can get an understanding of how people think or how something works. It doesn't pay to be ignorant. GOD Bless!
'Confirmation Bias'.


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flashpulse: Ok, so not only was all the old prophecies in the Bible come true, but an old prophecy has come to pass that you can see. Look at Israel, the Jews have gone back home. The one and only time something like this has ever happened in history. What are the odds of even just that one?
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jamotide: I see, that is very smart! But it still does not stop me from making up gods like that. In fact, as it happens, team jamotide isn't contingent on anything. So you are saying your god is not a god because he is contingent on team jamotide which created him? Wow, what an admission!
If it is contingent on jamotide, then it is not God. If jamotide has all of the attributes of the classical God of theism, then perhaps we have the same concept of God, but are calling Him two different things.

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Soyeong: sets us apart from the animal world, gives us dominion of the Earth
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Fenixp: Well at least we're not arrogant :-P
I don't think it would arrogant for the Queen of England to say she's the Queen of England. If we were not given dominion over the Earth by God, then it would be arrogant, but if we have, then it wouldn't be.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by Soyeong
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Starmaker: /popcorn
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scampywiak: Weak. You are a pussy.
Y so whiny? Did your sugar daddy forget to fuck you today?
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Soyeong: If we were not given dominion over the Earth by God, then it would be arrogant, but if we have, then it wouldn't be.
Well Queen of Englad doesn't believe to be a Queen of England, she knows for a fact she's one, and has a good amount of evidence supporting it.

Whereas you believe humans are whatever you say they are, and as a belief - no matter how strong it might be - it is extremely arrogant, and I'm extremely hard pressed to see any good side of a belief that humans are 'supreme beings ruling the world'. A bit of modesty might go a long way in realizing that even a bloody tree can easily survive without humans - humans, on the other hand, can't survive without trees. Entire humanity can eliminate itself in a nuclear war, and nature will, for the most part, just shrug it off in a couple of hundreds of years. Food for thought about our 'supremacy'
Post edited January 30, 2014 by Fenixp
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flashpulse: If evolution was true, the venomous snake would have died of its own venom when "evolving".
Maybe some type of snake did at some point "die of its own venom" or somehow else proved to be unsustainable. So the other kind of snakes that didn't have the same deficiency, thrived and took over.

Evolution is not a direct line, it is branching tree where many branches turn out to be unsustainable, and just die out, There were lots of different human-like creatures that coped with the world differently, but most of them died out at some point, usually because they couldn't adapt to the changing environment, or simply proved out to be inferior to some other race or species in the area. Human bringing wild dogs and rats to Australia was one kind of evolution (where humans had their part), which put some Australian species in danger. They had no means to cope with the new species.

New variations come with slight mutations. Most of them turn out to be unsustainable and die out (dying branch), some might prove to be useful and get more prevalent over time.

As for "fruits have just the right vitamins for humans and people", that is also part of evolution where both fruits and animals have evolved to benefit each other. If an animal cannot eat the fruits, it dies out (if it has no other food source), while the species which could use the plants/fruits the best, thrive the best. Similarly, for many plants it is beneficial that animals eat its fruits, and dump the seeds far away from the first plant. If animals chose to carry certain fruit seeds more than others that way, that plant would benefit (unless there is some other way for the plant to plant its seeds elsewhere, e.g. dandelion certainly doesn't need animals to throw around its seeds, it uses wind instead).

We can see evolution at work best with viruses and bacteria, as the mutations changing them are faster there so we can perceive them (unlike how e.g. humans or apes gradually change over millions of years). They mutate to cope better against e.g. antibiotics (ie. the bacteria which die of antibiotics easily do so, while variations of them which don't thrive). Also, sometimes there is bacteria or virus that kills its carriers fast, but those are pretty short-lived as without carriers such virus or bacteria can't live that long either.

So, the virus and bacteria which can live inside its carrier, maybe even benefitting it, thrive the best. Take for example the bacteria in your intestines (beneficial to you), or the herpes virus that most people carry (not beneficial AFAIK, but causes very little if any problems for most people, and transmits easily => a successful virus that thrives).

No need for "intelligent design" in any of that.
Post edited January 30, 2014 by timppu
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Soyeong: If we were not given dominion over the Earth by God, then it would be arrogant, but if we have, then it wouldn't be.
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Fenixp: Well Queen of Englad doesn't believe to be a Queen of England, she knows for a fact she's one, and has a good amount of evidence supporting it.

Whereas you believe humans are whatever you say they are, and as a belief - no matter how strong it might be - it is extremely arrogant, and I'm extremely hard pressed to see any good side of a belief that humans are 'supreme beings ruling the world'. A bit of modesty might go a long way in realizing that even a bloody tree can easily survive without humans - humans, on the other hand, can't survive without trees. Entire humanity can eliminate itself in a nuclear war, and nature will, for the most part, just shrug it off in a couple of hundreds of years. Food for thought about our 'supremacy'
If the Bible is true, then it is just as much of a fact. Being given dominion of the Earth is not the same as saying we have supremacy over it.