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Posted January 29, 2014
It's not 666 it's 600 three TIMES 6

600+
600+
600X
6=10800 divied by three is 3600 ? XboxOne was going to be called Xbox 1080? XBoxOne is the DEVIL?!?

A score back in that day Meant Multiplied by a score is an X

Or 600600600X6 ??? 3603603600 Xbox 360 was the devil?!?!
Post edited January 29, 2014 by fr33kSh0w2012
Posted January 29, 2014
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TStael: Yet, a little bit teasingly to your apparent rejection of Lutheran work ethic - which I think has contributed into making Scandinavia thriving as a region; and into making the early 90's recession into a deeply brutal blow in Finland - I should like to remind that it was against indulgence (=anekauppa) that inspired Luther to post his Theses. Quite as you disapprove of charitable donations by Buddhists as divine lottery tickets. ;-)
I dont disagree about donations as such. But if you donate something, the donate for the sake of wanting to help someone and not because you think youll gain something else out of it rather than just good conscience.

However, i do suggest anyone who is into foreign charity stuff to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambisa_Moyo#Dead_Aid
Posted January 29, 2014
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ThoRn: Humans used to act this way too long before religion. Caveman clonked cavewoman over the head and raped her.
I would not have thought the religious types read Gary Larson, really! :-p

More seriously, I do actually tend to think that there is natural human compassion, though it is unfortunately over-ridden in some parts of the world by "culture" where e.g. rape, bigotry or killing of minorities is casual. Or the compassion might be enhanced, as I think to be the case with the Enlightenment.

Yet, stating that things got better because of "religion" as opposed to persons who had noble thoughts, and wished to bring communion with God onto earth, is a bit strong.

And really: you should not say spiteful prayers, as I take it from your post. ("regardless") We as much as you surely represent the beauty of creation.

Edit: complementing the post.
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Posted January 29, 2014
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TStael: Anyone of us shall have "real life aji" - potential to do good or bad - but somehow the question is if you enjoy one; or the other - and how you might tell them apart?

I do not mind calling it The Hand of Providence (in terms of my Lutheran upbringing) or The Threads of Destiny - but I am quite convinced most of us have a common-nonsensical ability to separate what is good or harming to our family, friends; and neighbours. I personally prefer to apply what is good, within my own limitations - but just wonder, who can earnestly rejoice on harm?
i do enjoy that we have the power to choose. I do not believe we are just puppets dancing to some divine threads - rather if we so choose, we can choose to walk down the path we want. Naturally our choices may have price attached to them, but that is ofcourse just natural.

About the "common-nonsensical ability to separate good and bad" -> i actually disagree about this one. Unfortunately huge number of people do not seem to have the slightest clue of how their problems affect others. Many are aware that -they- have problem, but somehow do not simply get and/or care that those around them have to suffer because of it as well.

Lets just say i have too much RL experience about that matter.
Posted January 29, 2014
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TStael: Yet, a little bit teasingly to your apparent rejection of Lutheran work ethic - which I think has contributed into making Scandinavia thriving as a region; and into making the early 90's recession into a deeply brutal blow in Finland - I should like to remind that it was against indulgence (=anekauppa) that inspired Luther to post his Theses. Quite as you disapprove of charitable donations by Buddhists as divine lottery tickets. ;-)
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iippo: I dont disagree about donations as such. But if you donate something, the donate for the sake of wanting to help someone and not because you think youll gain something else out of it rather than just good conscience.

However, i do suggest anyone who is into foreign charity stuff to read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dambisa_Moyo#Dead_Aid
Agreed I Turned My back on Christianity Years ago when They started going commercial I thought to myself secretly "Where did they get the money to Build the church with?"
It started from then on? I lost respect They were preaching absolute BS selectively Taking stuff out of the Supposed "Good book" Yeah I hated it...

I remember when I was at Sunday school when I was a Very young Child the Sunday school teacher was Confectioning her words talking like you would to a new born while quoting scripures Out of my mouth flew the words "Do you know how Full of Shit you are?" she went Purple and looked Like she wanted to Kill someone everyone Laughed! Never saw her again!
Post edited January 29, 2014 by fr33kSh0w2012
Posted January 29, 2014
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iippo: i do enjoy that we have the power to choose. I do not believe we are just puppets dancing to some divine threads - rather if we so choose, we can choose to walk down the path we want. Naturally our choices may have price attached to them, but that is ofcourse just natural.

About the "common-nonsensical ability to separate good and bad" -> i actually disagree about this one. Unfortunately huge number of people do not seem to have the slightest clue of how their problems affect others. Many are aware that -they- have problem, but somehow do not simply get and/or care that those around them have to suffer because of it as well.

Lets just say i have too much RL experience about that matter.
Pray read Tomansello: Why we Cooperate. It's pretty good reading, really. I accept we have lowly, brutal instincts - but why "beastly" nature should always be used as an justification when humans act their worst annoys me!

When humans are evil, it is mostly chosen I should say - because we have a consciousness - unless we are insane.

Can you say it was rather ok, what happened with Eerika?
Posted January 29, 2014
TBH, this guy doesn't "get" atheists or Agnostics and we aren't going away. Ever. Unless you purge us from the human race. Which you might try. Fortunately, we're not bound by 10 commandments and can do whatever we feel like, whenever we want. That includes kill and torture, if we feel justified in doing so.
Bring it on.
Posted January 29, 2014
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itchy01ca01: TBH, this guy doesn't "get" atheists or Agnostics and we aren't going away. Ever. Unless you purge us from the human race. Which you might try. Fortunately, we're not bound by 10 commandments and can do whatever we feel like, whenever we want. That includes kill and torture, if we feel justified in doing so.
Bring it on.
remember to take the pills!
Posted January 29, 2014
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itchy01ca01: TBH, this guy doesn't "get" atheists or Agnostics and we aren't going away. Ever. Unless you purge us from the human race. Which you might try. Fortunately, we're not bound by 10 commandments and can do whatever we feel like, whenever we want. That includes kill and torture, if we feel justified in doing so.
Bring it on.
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iippo: remember to take the pills!
I've heard enough ranting from pulpits to know some christians are killers and don't like "other" people, be they gay, other religions or even just other denominations. Hatred runs SOME christians.
Posted January 29, 2014
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iippo: remember to take the pills!
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itchy01ca01: I've heard enough ranting from pulpits to know some christians are killers and don't like "other" people, be they gay, other religions or even just other denominations. Hatred runs SOME christians.
Well, based on these two posts of yours, you do not seem to be the calmest of ponds yourself...

Not wanting to accuse you of anything or so, but you did read and comprehend your own posts i hope?
Posted January 29, 2014
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iippo: remember to take the pills!
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itchy01ca01: I've heard enough ranting from pulpits to know some christians are killers and don't like "other" people, be they gay, other religions or even just other denominations. Hatred runs SOME christians.
Can't agree More, I've Found Hatred Runs MOST (99.999%) so called Christians! It's a Hatred Filled DEATH CULT!
Post edited January 29, 2014 by fr33kSh0w2012
Posted January 29, 2014
I've always wondered about this:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/was-jesus-a-socialist

I'd say yes, the arguments for it are stronger than against it.
Posted January 29, 2014
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itchy01ca01: I've heard enough ranting from pulpits to know some christians are killers and don't like "other" people, be they gay, other religions or even just other denominations. Hatred runs SOME christians.
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iippo: Well, based on these two posts of yours, you do not seem to be the calmest of ponds yourself...

Not wanting to accuse you of anything or so, but you did read and comprehend your own posts i hope?
Yea, it sounded a little.. crazy huh. Crazy begets crazy I guess.
Posted January 29, 2014
http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Islam-Graham-Fuller/dp/B009WJBDG0

very good book i can recommend for everyone to read - never mind the religion or atheist or whatever. Despite the provocative name, its actually -not- anti-islam book. And i would say it rather challenges the traditional anti-islamic views of many. Well, its not pro-islam either - rather kinda "whats going behind the curtains" and "what if" -fact book or something.

But the points the author rises apply to every religion, political movement and philosophy working in global manner really.
Posted January 29, 2014
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iippo: Snip
In summary, likely something along the lines of "be reasonable, logical, possibly amicable, and without a fanatical devotion to your cause that might lead you to be mean/violent with others." It would apply to everyone on the planet. :)
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