Posted January 25, 2014
Fenixp
nnpab
Registered: Sep 2008
From Czech Republic
Reever
Demon
Registered: Sep 2012
From Germany
Posted January 25, 2014
Religious people tend to be more social and communal than nonreligious people. Also religious people tend to feel that it gives them "purpose" in their life.
Social support + community + feeling of purpose = pretty damn rare these days
The roots of humanity lie in tribal communities, not as much in lonewolves. Ofcourse these things vary from person to person - but i believe this is not too far off the mark.
Also some religions come with guidelines to what to eat and what not to eat. So if your religion promotes vegeterian food and is against drinking alcohol for example, then ofcourse you have fair chance of living longer than those around you.
I might be wrong, but some parts of Russia for example are gaining on muslim population simply because of their average life expectancy (males) is far longer than ordinary russians life expectancy. Has supposedly whole lot to do with drinking vodka. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Life_expectancy
I may be wrong though, and I don't have time to look into this any further anyway :D
iippo
Slave of economy
Registered: Dec 2008
From Finland
Posted January 25, 2014
Religious people tend to be more social and communal than nonreligious people. Also religious people tend to feel that it gives them "purpose" in their life.
Social support + community + feeling of purpose = pretty damn rare these days
The roots of humanity lie in tribal communities, not as much in lonewolves. Ofcourse these things vary from person to person - but i believe this is not too far off the mark.
Also some religions come with guidelines to what to eat and what not to eat. So if your religion promotes vegeterian food and is against drinking alcohol for example, then ofcourse you have fair chance of living longer than those around you.
I might be wrong, but some parts of Russia for example are gaining on muslim population simply because of their average life expectancy (males) is far longer than ordinary russians life expectancy. Has supposedly whole lot to do with drinking vodka. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia#Life_expectancy
I may be wrong though, and I don't have time to look into this any further anyway :D
Reever
Demon
Registered: Sep 2012
From Germany
Posted January 25, 2014
I'd actually like all of humanity to believe in "enlightening" and in themselves - but there's still a long way till then =)
Lionel212008
Hedonistic pig
Registered: Jan 2011
From Other
TStael
A Finn
Registered: May 2011
From Finland
Posted January 26, 2014
There is no real meaning to life or existence. Pleasure is the only 'intrinsic' good there is IMHO.As such, I am not bound by any moral compunctions.My only purpose is to pro create and expand my gene pool if any.,,,I find happiness in doing so.
They surely have been thinking that the neighboring village gene pool - as much domestic as yours - should not be expanded at any cost, even if this boy wishing to marry his sweetheart.
But quite plausibly, and hopefully, this charming bunch shall get an ample chance to share their nihilistic thoughts in prison.
TStael
A Finn
Registered: May 2011
From Finland
Posted January 26, 2014
VABlitz
Desert Ranger
Registered: Jul 2012
From United States
Posted January 27, 2014
Holy crap, so I am no longer an atheist. So, I am a GOGite, GOGian, GOGish, GOGon...I am so confused.
As an atheist the supernatural stuff I don't believe in either. However, I still do some of the superstitious stuff. That could be tied to me being semi-OCD. Or it could be tied to my christian upbringing. Which is why I wouldn't call someone, that considered themselves an atheist and believed in g-g-ghosts, theist.
As an atheist the supernatural stuff I don't believe in either. However, I still do some of the superstitious stuff. That could be tied to me being semi-OCD. Or it could be tied to my christian upbringing. Which is why I wouldn't call someone, that considered themselves an atheist and believed in g-g-ghosts, theist.
iippo
Slave of economy
Registered: Dec 2008
From Finland
Posted January 27, 2014
Original sin all that that - i think its very grim way to see the world. A person should be judged only by her or his own deeds and not something silly like that. That ofcourse does not mean, that our actions wouldnt affect others (and vica versa) without us meaning so. ->> That means, that in reality we do end up having to take whole lot of resposibility for stuff we are not really responsible for. Or might be only talking about myself.
Anyways, does my belief or non-belief inspire me to be better man? That is a good question. Lets try putting it like this:
I suppose if should say i believe in something, i might be believer in "aji" or karma. While i kinda like the idea of karma, i do not believe in some supernatural karma of certain religions where your good and bad actions carry some tangible effect to your next life. I know some buddhists, who seem to believe that if you "do good deed", say give money to monk or charity - it will somehow magically raise their odds of winning in lottery for example. This i believe is wrong and not actually buddhism in the first place.
The way i see "karma" or if you "real life aji" - is potential. Our actions have potential to both good and bad. If we do what ever is "good/right" its more likely that in one way or other the world will be better for us. If on the other hand we do "bad/wrong" deeds, its very much likely that we can get away with it until certain point - but eventually the gravity of our actions is likely start to have bad effect on our life.
Notice emphasis on "likely". Accidents and lottery wins happen without regard to what kind of life you have lived.
To me this is nothing supernatural - rather just the way life works: Effort in any matter is -more likely- to have favorable result than inactivity.
..i wonder if that answered anything, in bit of hurry atm.
Lionel212008
Hedonistic pig
Registered: Jan 2011
From Other
Posted January 27, 2014
Surmise, without sufficient evidence to confirm its veracity leads to apocryphal statements like the one you just made. The underlying situation is far more complex. Unfortunately, human beings are quick to jump to arbitrary conclusions - like you did.
Whether you choose to accept it or not, human beings are still animals. There is nothing unique about our species that cannot be found in animal or insect populations. Despite the aeons of evolution we still carry a certain affliction that evolution has failed to extricate. There are certain ideals and notions deeply embedded in the human psyche. Bigotry and prejudice is intrinsic to the human persona and people are afflicted in varying degrees.
India is a chaotic place to live in since there is a certain disequilibrium that exists. People are demarcated on the basis of caste, creed and religion. Even today, in certain remote pockets, women are labelled as being witches and are burnt at the stake.Female infanticide is common. You might think that this is appalling.
However, I think that human beings think too highly of themselves. If we were to draw inferences, then in the scheme of things we are far less relevant than that of specks of dust. Human life and existence is precarious and everything could cease to exist in a mere nano second.
Truth be told, we are nothing more than evolution's most efficient killing machines. By virtue of our very existence we have led to the interminable extinction of various species. We are like that of a scourge or a cancer.
Despite our ignorance, we are quick to judge or condemn someone. There is no rationale that appeals to the ire of a bloodthirsty mob. Even sane men fall victim to a herd mentality.
It is also with good reason that we hate criminals....the murderers, the thieves and all the other scoundrels. that may exist behind bars...They are but a grim reflection of ourselves. A side that exists somewhere in the deep recesses of our heart....
We are all criminals; push a sane man too far and you will see the animal surge within him.
Whether you choose to accept it or not, human beings are still animals. There is nothing unique about our species that cannot be found in animal or insect populations. Despite the aeons of evolution we still carry a certain affliction that evolution has failed to extricate. There are certain ideals and notions deeply embedded in the human psyche. Bigotry and prejudice is intrinsic to the human persona and people are afflicted in varying degrees.
India is a chaotic place to live in since there is a certain disequilibrium that exists. People are demarcated on the basis of caste, creed and religion. Even today, in certain remote pockets, women are labelled as being witches and are burnt at the stake.Female infanticide is common. You might think that this is appalling.
However, I think that human beings think too highly of themselves. If we were to draw inferences, then in the scheme of things we are far less relevant than that of specks of dust. Human life and existence is precarious and everything could cease to exist in a mere nano second.
Truth be told, we are nothing more than evolution's most efficient killing machines. By virtue of our very existence we have led to the interminable extinction of various species. We are like that of a scourge or a cancer.
Despite our ignorance, we are quick to judge or condemn someone. There is no rationale that appeals to the ire of a bloodthirsty mob. Even sane men fall victim to a herd mentality.
It is also with good reason that we hate criminals....the murderers, the thieves and all the other scoundrels. that may exist behind bars...They are but a grim reflection of ourselves. A side that exists somewhere in the deep recesses of our heart....
We are all criminals; push a sane man too far and you will see the animal surge within him.
Post edited January 27, 2014 by Lionel212008
@('_')@
Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
Posted January 27, 2014
Whether you choose to accept it or not, human beings are still animals. There is nothing unique about outspecies that cannot be found in animal or insect populations. Despite the aeons of evolution we still carry a certain affliction that evolution has failed to extricate. There are certain ideals and notions deeply embedded in the human psyche. Bigotry and prejudice is intrinsic to the human persona and people are afflicted in varying degrees.
India is a chaotic place to live in since there is a certain disequilibrium that exists. People are demarcated on the basis of caste, creed and religion. Even today, in certain remote, women are labelled as being witches and are burnt at the stake. You might think that this is appalling.
However, I think that human beings think too highly of themselves. While if we were to draw inferences, then in the scheme of things we are far less relevant than that of specks of dust. Human life and existence is precarious and all of existence could be wiped out in mere nano-seconds for that matter. Besides, human beings die like thrash in wars so very often.
Truth be told, we are nothing more than evolution's most efficient killing machines. By virtue of our very existence we have led to the interminable extinction of various species. We are like that of a scourge or a cancer.
Despite our ignorance we are quick to judge or condemn someone. There is no rationale that appeals to the ire of a bloodthirsty mob. Even sane men fall victim to a herd mentality. Since time memorial people have cut each other in the name of religion, love, land..
It is with good reason that we hate criminals....the murderers, the thieves and all the other scoundrels. that may exist behind bars...They are a grim reflection of ourselves. A side that exists somewhere in the deep recesses of our heart....Ladies and Gentlemen, we are all criminals. Push a sane man too far and you will see the animal surge within him.
Post edited January 27, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Lionel212008
Hedonistic pig
Registered: Jan 2011
From Other
Posted January 27, 2014
I am a journalist and while I would very much like to write about this in a newspaper - I can't. The so called freedom of press is but an illusion. Thank you, nevertheless.
monkeydelarge: [
This is one of the most brilliant posts I have ever read. +1000000000000 And this post is #1 compared to the other brilliant posts I have read here. Humans are truly no better than monkeys except when it comes to killing. I'm tempted to print out your post and frame it. So much truth in one post.
This is one of the most brilliant posts I have ever read. +1000000000000 And this post is #1 compared to the other brilliant posts I have read here. Humans are truly no better than monkeys except when it comes to killing. I'm tempted to print out your post and frame it. So much truth in one post.
Post edited January 27, 2014 by Lionel212008
@('_')@
Registered: Sep 2012
From United States
Posted January 27, 2014
This is one of the most brilliant posts I have ever read. +1000000000000 And this post is #1 compared to the other brilliant posts I have read here. Humans are truly no better than monkeys except when it comes to killing. I'm tempted to print out your post and frame it. So much truth in one post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meiU6TxysCg We really are no better than monkeys. LOL
Post edited January 27, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Trilarion
New User
Registered: Jul 2010
From Germany
Posted January 27, 2014
I'm not sure about this and would like to have more proof about that. For example here there is a political party who is supposed to have a higher membership rate of catholics and protestants and by some coincidence this is also the party which is happy when social benefits are cutted.
It might be or it might not be. Not having a religion might result in some kind of loss of orientation and community or maybe atheists can compensate somehow or maybe the church community could also be a kind of fake community with strange rules and only superficial solidarity.
Don't get me wrong. I think the notion is interesting but probably not universally valid until solidly tested.
It might be or it might not be. Not having a religion might result in some kind of loss of orientation and community or maybe atheists can compensate somehow or maybe the church community could also be a kind of fake community with strange rules and only superficial solidarity.
Don't get me wrong. I think the notion is interesting but probably not universally valid until solidly tested.
Trilarion
New User
Registered: Jul 2010
From Germany
Posted January 27, 2014
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It is also with good reason that we hate criminals....the murderers, the thieves and all the other scoundrels. that may exist behind bars...They are but a grim reflection of ourselves. A side that exists somewhere in the deep recesses of our heart....
We are all criminals; push a sane man too far and you will see the animal surge within him.
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India is probably struggling a lot, sheer size and population and narrow minds and backward oriented society structures makes it hard to govern and enforcing the laws.
The laws are often motivated religious or if not then they are a compromise, morale that is written down and agreed by the majority. But there can be only one authority. And then once you have good laws pray that there will be enough power given to the law and the law enforcement and you are kind of safe a bit. Best you can hope for.