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timppu: Is religion really the only thing keeping you from robbing, raping and murdering others? So you kinda have that kind of urges inside you, but you deny your urges because you fear of divine retribution?
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MaximumBunny: I've actually been told by a fundamentalist pastor, one of those "I'm your friend and respect you but you're wrong about everything and I will convert you eventually" types (full creationist and the works), that if it wasn't for 'God' that's exactly what he would be doing. And this person is teaching people what is good and what is not using his own interpretation of a religious text? Scary.

Fundamentalism teaches many small, dangerous ideas like that. I think it originally started as a fear of losing faith/members though. "If you leave US you will become like THEM". That would make sense as a tool to maintain converts and put the (wrong) "fear" into them. But you'll hardly find many Christians that understand what "the fear of the LORD" actually means.
...US history is full of "us/them" dualism actually. Just look at your everyday politics, you call two party system democracy? ;)
I'm surprised this thread has not turned into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7JoM-VyDQ
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monkeydelarge: I'm surprised this thread has not turned into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7JoM-VyDQ
Seems we're all a bit more civilized here. :P
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monkeydelarge: I'm surprised this thread has not turned into this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl7JoM-VyDQ
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pimpmonkey2382: Seems we're all a bit more civilized here. :P
It could be something else. It seems a lot of religious people aren't gamers because they think gaming will lead them to the fires of hell. :) So maybe there aren't a lot of religious people here at GOG general discussion. I know some of the words I posted and words posted from other people would seriously piss off religious people if we were hanging out at a Walmart in a bible belt state.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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mystikmind2000: I have noticed Evolution is considered to be the 'scientific' explanation for life and Creationism is not. Is it simply because Evolution can be studied scientifically and Creationism cannot?

Personally i have always considered Creationism to be the more likely reason for life.... it is just too much of a leap of faith for me to believe we all 'grew' from mud!! And when i look closely at Evolution, there is almost no evidence to support it... in the sense that when Evolution is explained through all the fossil evidence, it is all purely human 'assumption', there is nothing 'real' in it.

So i guess the moral of the story is - when you make up a story why life exists, make up stories connecting fossils, not stories about parting the oceans!
I come from the stars!
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pimpmonkey2382: Seems we're all a bit more civilized here. :P
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monkeydelarge: It could be something else. It seems a lot of religious people aren't gamers because they think gaming will lead them to the fires of hell. :)
And if masturbation were a sin....hell seems more fun anyway.
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pimpmonkey2382: Seems we're all a bit more civilized here. :P
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monkeydelarge: It could be something else. It seems a lot of religious people aren't gamers because they think gaming will lead them to the fires of hell. :) So maybe there aren't a lot of religious people here at GOG general discussion. I know some of the words I posted and words posted from other people would seriously piss off religious people if we were hanging out at a Walmart in a bible belt state.
There's some religious folks, either they aren't around or don't care enough to get involved. Usually these types of threads aren't too bad until you get "That one guy" showing up. Then it's usually two supporters, a couple who don't care and two dozen chewing out that one guy.
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monkeydelarge: It could be something else. It seems a lot of religious people aren't gamers because they think gaming will lead them to the fires of hell. :)
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pimpmonkey2382: And if masturbation were a sin....hell seems more fun anyway.
I believe, Thou shall play video games so anyone or anything against that is "evil" in my eyes.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
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pimpmonkey2382: And if masturbation were a sin....hell seems more fun anyway.
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monkeydelarge: I believe, Thou shall play video games so anyone or anything against that is "evil" in my eyes.
In hell I could game, beat it like it owed me money, fornicate with any woman....yeah, more fun there. lol
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monkeydelarge: I believe, Thou shall play video games so anyone or anything against that is "evil" in my eyes.
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pimpmonkey2382: In hell I could game, beat it like it owed me money, fornicate with any woman....yeah, more fun there. lol
But if you beat it like it owed you money, you will go blind!
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pimpmonkey2382: In hell I could game, beat it like it owed me money, fornicate with any woman....yeah, more fun there. lol
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monkeydelarge: But if you beat it like it owed you money, you will go blind!
Explains the need for glasses that I still don't wear. :P
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pimpmonkey2382: In hell I could game, beat it like it owed me money, fornicate with any woman....yeah, more fun there. lol
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monkeydelarge: But if you beat it like it owed you money, you will go blind!
Actually, hair will grow on your palms. It's a scientifically proven fact.
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mystikmind2000: I have noticed Evolution is considered to be the 'scientific' explanation for life and Creationism is not. Is it simply because Evolution can be studied scientifically and Creationism cannot?

Personally i have always considered Creationism to be the more likely reason for life.... it is just too much of a leap of faith for me to believe we all 'grew' from mud!!
There's a certain irony in you saying it's too much of a leap of faith to accept evolution, yet you consider Creationism more likely.

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mystikmind2000: And when i look closely at Evolution, there is almost no evidence to support it... in the sense that when Evolution is explained through all the fossil evidence, it is all purely human 'assumption', there is nothing 'real' in it.

So i guess the moral of the story is - when you make up a story why life exists, make up stories connecting fossils, not stories about parting the oceans!
I advise you to do more research on evolution, then. The evidence for it is overwhelming and very real. It's not a matter of assumption.
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mystikmind2000: I have noticed Evolution is considered to be the 'scientific' explanation for life and Creationism is not. Is it simply because Evolution can be studied scientifically and Creationism cannot?

Personally i have always considered Creationism to be the more likely reason for life.... it is just too much of a leap of faith for me to believe we all 'grew' from mud!! And when i look closely at Evolution, there is almost no evidence to support it... in the sense that when Evolution is explained through all the fossil evidence, it is all purely human 'assumption', there is nothing 'real' in it.

So i guess the moral of the story is - when you make up a story why life exists, make up stories connecting fossils, not stories about parting the oceans!
An issue with modern science in our society is that it is beyond the reach of many people.

Have you considered that perhaps, you haven't spend enough time in the various disciplines to get the necessary understanding to make sense of it?

I'm not saying I understand evolution in it's entirety, but between the biology I took in college, the 57 credits in maths & stats I did in university and the genetic algorithm I worked with in my AI class, I saw why evolution works on many levels.

Of course, I invested 6 years of my life in higher education. I'll understand if you don't want to make a similar time investment in the disciplines I studied just to better visualize evolution.

EDIT: However, you can simply accept that thousands of incredibly smart people spanning multiple disciplines spent several millenia of combined man-years to come up with the current body of research supporting evolution.

You can take their word or take the words of a handful of individuals over two thousands years ago who probably didn't do a lot of research on the subject matter.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by Magnitus
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iippo: I cant actually call myself "real" atheist, but wouldnt exactly say i believe the cloud-dude theory either. Always interesting topic though !
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pimpmonkey2382: You would be a deist if you believe in some sort of god but not the type of any religion. Or agnostic which I call atheists who don't know it yet.
Atheists say: We don't believe in anything religious.

Agnostics say: We don't know if god exists but it might be possible.

Religious people say: God exists.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by Silverhawk170485