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Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I'm surprised there aren't any large Atheist groups out there.
Probably the we're "immoral" "unamerican" etc people have in their heads if we were to form one.
Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I'm surprised there aren't any large Atheist groups out there.
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pimpmonkey2382: Probably the we're "immoral" "unamerican" etc people have in their heads if we were to form one.
I find it amusing that some people use the word, "unamerican" as an insult, considering large corporations an the government decide what is "American" every day.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 23, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Probably the we're "immoral" "unamerican" etc people have in their heads if we were to form one.
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monkeydelarge: I find it amusing that some people use the word, "unamerican" as an insult, considering large corporations decide what is "American" every day.
Yeah, as if they themselves personally get to choose whats american or not.
Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I find it amusing that some people use the word, "unamerican" as an insult, considering large corporations decide what is "American" every day.
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pimpmonkey2382: Yeah, as if they themselves personally get to choose whats american or not.
I mean, being an "American" nowadays is being sheep that does not think and does what is best for the large corporations and the government. The large corporations and government created our "American" culture. So if someone calls you "unamerican", it's a compliment.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 23, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: Yeah, as if they themselves personally get to choose whats american or not.
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monkeydelarge: I mean, being an "American" nowadays is being sheep that does not think and does what is best for the large corporations and the government. The large corporations and government created our "American" culture. So if someone calls you "unamerican", it's a compliment.
Almost in the same way religion stops people from thinking, and just shuffles people into line in hopes of some "great" reward at the end.
Posted January 23, 2014
What was the original post?
Posted January 23, 2014
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Ultimatum: What was the original post?
No one has it anymore, but it was very polite in contrast to Thorns posts.
Posted January 23, 2014
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Ultimatum: What was the original post?
For a good time, call Leucius.
Posted January 23, 2014
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ThoRn: I sort of see religion as the moral glue that keeps us all from robbing, raping, and murdering each other off.
Is religion really the only thing keeping you from robbing, raping and murdering others? So you kinda have that kind of urges inside you, but you deny your urges because you fear of divine retribution?

Even dogs show affection, empathy and try to help each others (or even people) out, without knowing anything about god or religion. Similarly, even though the bible probably doesn't forbid it, I just don't want to kill little kittens. Killing little kittens for fun might be ok in the eyes of different religions, but it isn't in my eyes.
Posted January 23, 2014
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monkeydelarge: I mean, being an "American" nowadays is being sheep that does not think and does what is best for the large corporations and the government. The large corporations and government created our "American" culture. So if someone calls you "unamerican", it's a compliment.
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pimpmonkey2382: Almost in the same way religion stops people from thinking, and just shuffles people into line in hopes of some "great" reward at the end.
Yep. :) It's no surprise that our freedom is slowly being taken away here because most Americans belong to a religion. A religion that makes people think, submitting on your knees to those who try to dominate you is a good thing.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 23, 2014
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ThoRn: I sort of see religion as the moral glue that keeps us all from robbing, raping, and murdering each other off.
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timppu: Is religion really the only thing keeping you from robbing, raping and murdering others? So you kinda have that kind of urges inside you, but you deny your urges because you fear of divine retribution?

Even dogs show affection, empathy and try to help each others (or even people) out, without knowing anything about god or religion. Similarly, even though the bible probably doesn't forbid it, I just don't want to kill little kittens. Killing little kittens for fun might be ok in the eyes of different religions, but it isn't in my eyes.
This and +1
Posted January 23, 2014
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timppu: Is religion really the only thing keeping you from robbing, raping and murdering others? So you kinda have that kind of urges inside you, but you deny your urges because you fear of divine retribution?

Even dogs show affection, empathy and try to help each others (or even people) out, without knowing anything about god or religion. Similarly, even though the bible probably doesn't forbid it, I just don't want to kill little kittens. Killing little kittens for fun might be ok in the eyes of different religions, but it isn't in my eyes.
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pimpmonkey2382: This and +1
There are also a few countries in the world, with populations that are mostly atheist(Finland, Czech Republic, Norway) and those countries have very little rape, robbery and murder going on compared to countries with populations that are mostly religious.
Post edited January 23, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted January 23, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: This and +1
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monkeydelarge: There are also a few countries in the world, with populations that are mostly atheist and those countries have very little rape, robbery and murder going on compared to countries with populations that are mostly religious.
Yet you'll hear apologists scream that an atheist society would become another stalin or pol pot. Then I like the reply with this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HG0yH6Jtp0
Posted January 23, 2014
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iippo: I have yet to hear about person who has survived "The Life" - these days so many research's are done, that there is certainly someone where stating that every single thing in life kills ;)

Then again, there are many ways to prepare milk - some more healthy than some others. But whatever, hardly the most dangerous thing in my life all things considered...

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Also bloodsausages! Suppose i should buy some + lingonjam today.
Some people tolerate it better than other people do, but unless you spend a prolonged period of time away from dairy, it's hard to know to what extent it's affecting your health. Until I lived in a country where milk wasn't a staple, I had no idea how sick the stuff was making me. I can tolerate some, but I feel much better having cut back substantially.

It's no particular coincidence that humans are pretty much the only species that regularly ingests milk well into adulthood.
Posted January 23, 2014
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HereForTheBeer: Were those kids born with it, or was it learned / taught behavior?
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RaggieRags: Considering they're still babies, I would wager to guess it's not the latter.

http://www.seattleschild.com/article/uw-study-children-as-young-as-15-months-show-sense-of-fairness
Children begin to learn pretty much right away. 15 months is well into the learning stage for behaviors. From the article itself:
“Our findings show that these norms of fairness and altruism are more rapidly acquired than we thought,” Sommerville said
At the end of the article:
Does this mean that fairness and altruism are due to nature, or can these qualities be nurtured? Sommerville’s research team is investigating this question now, looking at how parents’ values and beliefs alter an infant’s development.

“It’s likely that infants pick up on these norms in a nonverbal way, by observing how people treat each other,” Sommerville said.
Acquired, not inherent. If those observed people were previously influenced in some manner by religion (they say "values and beliefs"), it stands to reason that it would rub off on the babies as they grow. Obviously, the baby won't see it as religion - they'll just be imitating their primary influences. That trickles down through generations as we learn our behaviors from the generations who teach us, and it's likely some of that comes from religious influence along the way.
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