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Posted February 01, 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keIZmTg-nBI
Posted February 01, 2014
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Soyeong: Have you even read the Bible?

I have no idea how you can say that just by looking at atheistic societies in the past century. Religion teach the importance of justice, yet somehow that gets flipped around in your mind.
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pimpmonkey2382: The difference is no athiest society ever done anything in the name of atheism, where as christianity has many crimes done in it's name.

To say that it was done in the name of atheism is wrong, and you would owe us an apology.
The point is that if all those negative aspects are found in all societies, including atheistic ones, then those things would be part of the human condition rather than something caused by religion. The love of money and power are the root of these problems, not a religion that teaches us to love each other, and even our enemies.
Posted February 01, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: The difference is no athiest society ever done anything in the name of atheism, where as christianity has many crimes done in it's name.

To say that it was done in the name of atheism is wrong, and you would owe us an apology.
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Soyeong: The point is that if all those negative aspects are found in all societies, including atheistic ones, then those things would be part of the human condition rather than something caused by religion. The love of money and power are the root of these problems, not a religion that teaches us to love each other, and even our enemies.
The difference is they can find justification in the bible, atheism doesn't have any written dogma.
Posted February 01, 2014
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Crosmando: Well... I'm sure someone has thought up worse ideas for a p&p adventure...
Final Fantasy Tactics actually applied that with the Faith stat. 0 Faith = no effect on magic for your character and 0 damage if you used it, while 99-100 faith would increase the potency of spells but put them at risk for becoming overzealous and leaving the party for religious pursuits.
Posted February 01, 2014
Dusty is completely correct here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQht7xe-O4g
Posted February 01, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: atheism doesn't believe in books.
... when there is wikipedia.
Posted February 01, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: atheism doesn't believe in books.
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Potzato: ... when there is wikipedia.
I didn't say that. I said it doesn't have written dogma.
Posted February 01, 2014
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hedwards: Yes, the difference between Jews and Christians is primarily that Jesus came and died for their sins. Jews are still waiting for their messiah to come. Similarly, Muslims do not consider Jesus to be their messiah either, he is just a prophet from their point of view.

The whole Jews for Jesus thing is just a form of self hating. If they actually took him as their lord and savior, that would make them Christians or possibly one of the related religions that follow from Christianity.
The issue is that Jews who follow Christ don't consider themselves to have changed their religion or given up their ethnic identity. Rather, they think Jesus was the the Jewish Messiah and the fulfillment of their religion. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism and is itself a Jewish religion with Gentiles grafted into it. The New Testament is thoroughly Jewish.

Jews for Jesus is not a form of self hating in the slightest. There are Jews today who are still waiting for their Messiah who have not realized that he already came and Jews for Jesus are an outreach to help other Jews realize this.

There are Jews today who are non-practicing or consider themselves to be atheists that do not consider themselves to be any less Jewish.
Posted February 01, 2014
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hedwards: Yes, the difference between Jews and Christians is primarily that Jesus came and died for their sins. Jews are still waiting for their messiah to come. Similarly, Muslims do not consider Jesus to be their messiah either, he is just a prophet from their point of view.

The whole Jews for Jesus thing is just a form of self hating. If they actually took him as their lord and savior, that would make them Christians or possibly one of the related religions that follow from Christianity.
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Soyeong: The issue is that Jews who follow Christ don't consider themselves to have changed their religion or given up their ethnic identity. Rather, they think Jesus was the the Jewish Messiah and the fulfillment of their religion. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism and is itself a Jewish religion with Gentiles grafted into it. The New Testament is thoroughly Jewish.

Jews for Jesus is not a form of self hating in the slightest. There are Jews today who are still waiting for their Messiah who have not realized that he already came and Jews for Jesus are an outreach to help other Jews realize this.

There are Jews today who are non-practicing or consider themselves to be atheists that do not consider themselves to be any less Jewish.
Wrong because Jesus didn't fulfill any of their BS prophecies (All prophecies are BS to set the record straight.)
Posted February 01, 2014
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hedwards: Yes, the difference between Jews and Christians is primarily that Jesus came and died for their sins. Jews are still waiting for their messiah to come. Similarly, Muslims do not consider Jesus to be their messiah either, he is just a prophet from their point of view.

The whole Jews for Jesus thing is just a form of self hating. If they actually took him as their lord and savior, that would make them Christians or possibly one of the related religions that follow from Christianity.
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Soyeong: The issue is that Jews who follow Christ don't consider themselves to have changed their religion or given up their ethnic identity. Rather, they think Jesus was the the Jewish Messiah and the fulfillment of their religion. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism and is itself a Jewish religion with Gentiles grafted into it. The New Testament is thoroughly Jewish.

Jews for Jesus is not a form of self hating in the slightest. There are Jews today who are still waiting for their Messiah who have not realized that he already came and Jews for Jesus are an outreach to help other Jews realize this.

There are Jews today who are non-practicing or consider themselves to be atheists that do not consider themselves to be any less Jewish.
Jesus never existed. He is a fictional character. There is no evidence to support Jesus was real.
Posted February 01, 2014
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Soyeong: The issue is that Jews who follow Christ don't consider themselves to have changed their religion or given up their ethnic identity. Rather, they think Jesus was the the Jewish Messiah and the fulfillment of their religion. Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism and is itself a Jewish religion with Gentiles grafted into it. The New Testament is thoroughly Jewish.

Jews for Jesus is not a form of self hating in the slightest. There are Jews today who are still waiting for their Messiah who have not realized that he already came and Jews for Jesus are an outreach to help other Jews realize this.

There are Jews today who are non-practicing or consider themselves to be atheists that do not consider themselves to be any less Jewish.
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monkeydelarge: Jesus never existed. He is a fictional character. There is no evidence to support Jesus was real.
What happened exactly, the authors of the new testament, read the old testament, then made the "prophecies" fit.
Post edited February 01, 2014 by pimpmonkey2382
Posted February 01, 2014
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monkeydelarge: Jesus never existed. He is a fictional character. There is no evidence to support Jesus was real.
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pimpmonkey2382: What happened exactly, the authors of the new testament, read the old testament, then made the "prophecies" fit.
Of course, there is Christian sources proving he was real but that is not real evidence. There are even Christian books about hell out there, written by people who claim they saw hell.
Post edited February 01, 2014 by monkeydelarge
Posted February 01, 2014
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Rohan15: I raise you this and call check.
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monkeydelarge: LOL
White people. >_>
Posted February 01, 2014
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monkeydelarge: LOL
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Rohan15: White people. >_>
Nah, just white Christians.
Posted February 01, 2014
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pimpmonkey2382: What happened exactly, the authors of the new testament, read the old testament, then made the "prophecies" fit.
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monkeydelarge: Of course, there is Christian sources proving he was real but that is not real evidence. There are even Christian books about hell out there, written by people who claim they saw hell.
I seen hell too...waking up beside someone who looked much hotter when I was drunk than the morning after...
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