EDIT: I knew it wouldn't go over that well.

My family were catholics too.

And murder, etc isn't gods will and to say it is, not only is it appalling in itself as it doesn't put the blame on those people. 2nd, how can anyone read the mind of a god? What mental power or ability do you have that I don't? I appreciate you don't want to convert me. If there were real evidence (not the bible, not some holy text.) like this "god" making himself obvious to everyone in the whole world. I mean he can do anything he's all powerful. Why not just speak to the entire world rather than just one single person (usually someone who's ignorant himself.).

Well, I don't get you. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter ;)

I get you?

You make it sound like we are a fad. :P

Sorry.

What.


What has being an atheist to do with being appalled at religious people ? It's just about not personally believing that the god thing is really real. It's not a judgement. Religions are fine, and while major stupidities have been committed in their name, so has much progress, or at least independantly, and many horrrs have also been committed independantly.

Most atheists and believers agree sufficiently on morals (even if they formulate them differently), and even science, for this difference of belief not to be an issue. :-/

The same applies to theistic agnostics. My agnosticism doesn't work like 'I don't believe things you believe', but rather 'I can't say for sure you are wrong... but I also can't say for sure you are right in all you believe in'.

agreed, there is no "faith" in athiesm, it's simply not believing.

The irony of Telika posting in a religious thread, look at his rep. XD

Bwahahaha. Nice.

It's mistranslation. The correct number is 616 :)

Part of Atheism is just a believe there there is no teleological force directing humanity/nature.

Personally I don't necessarily think atheism is a case of "absence" or "nothingness" so much as seeing consciousness as an illusion (we have less control of even ourselves/perceptions than we realize so a definitive spiritual presence or soul seems far fetched) and assuming what we are and will be always has been in a raw material way (law of conservation of mass - matter is not created or destroyed, just transformed).

As an atheist, I think the best explanation I've ever hear of religion is that you "just have to have faith." Understanding the concept of blind faith is a riddle because at some level we have to just believe in something, even if it's science or absence of higher spiritual beings, because no one can know everything but determining what to place faith in can seem random at times so I prefer to find experiences and observations that guide me.

Also, if there is a higher being I don't understand the requirement for worship and following some specific religious laws set down by this entity - there's no reason to think a God would nurture humanity alone or care to direct us socially. For this reason a lot of established religion feels more like an attempt at culture and social control than some honest self actualization. This suggests atheism/agnosticism is a willful turning away from a known God or refusal to acknowledge a higher power in spite for human nature. That's never been my understanding of atheism.

Would have to be today, can't tomorrow bad things would happen.

Yep. And that mysteriously looks like a guy wearing glasses. So, therefore, we must kill everybody that's wearing glasses, or at least force them to wear contacts.