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hedwards: I'm positive that isn't true.
Why?
Wet shoes is evidence that supports rain, but it's also evidence that supports the notion that somebody got too close to a sprinkler system. Without more evidence, there's no way of knowing which it is.
So wet shoes can indicate rain or someone got too close to a sprinkler system. I'm not seeing the distinction you're making.
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Fenixp: Hehe

Yeah, old testament is ... Well, it's like reading books with folk legends pretty much. It's not all that well written, but eh. New testament on the other hand...
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Crassmaster: New Testament is pathetic. Seriously, God is this horrible badass throughout the Old Testament, messing with people basically because he can and he's a dick. All of a sudden, he has a kid walking the Earth and he's all peace and love and shit throughout the New Testament. Terrible! :)
Not to mention he also had himself born (because he's god he just can't APPEAR on earth), and had to send himself on a suicide mission. That's somehow the only way he could forgive sin, rather than just...you know, forgiving them
Post edited February 01, 2014 by pimpmonkey2382
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BlueMooner: If you don't like my explanations for whatever reason, then I recommend reading various definitions of atheism, as well as talking to various atheists to see what their views are. That should at least give you an idea of how atheists use the term.
It also helps if you look at how atheist philosophers define it or how the term has been historically used. Trying to get out of defending your position by defining rocks and trees as atheists is nothing but a modern invention.
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BlueMooner: 1) "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/american_english/atheism
Right, the belief in a negative. As I stated. If you lack belief in a God or gods, you implicitly believe there is no God or gods, since they are mutually exclusive.

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BlueMooner: You can also read About's definition of atheism here: http://atheism.about.com/od/Atheist-Dictionary/g/Definition-Atheism.htm

3) Wikipedia says:

"Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1][2] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[3][4][5] Most inclusively, atheism is the absence of belief that any deities exist.[4][5][6][7] Atheism is contrasted with theism,[8][9] which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.[9][10]"
Same goes for the broad definition here.

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BlueMooner: I agree with footnote 4 from there, which says:

"Harvey, Van A. "Agnosticism and Atheism", in Flynn 2007, p. 35: "The terms ATHEISM and AGNOSTICISM lend themselves to two different definitions. The first takes the privative a both before the Greek theos (divinity) and gnosis (to know) to mean that atheism is simply the absence of belief in the gods and agnosticism is simply lack of knowledge of some specified subject matter. The second definition takes atheism to mean the explicit denial of the existence of gods and agnosticism as the position of someone who, because the existence of gods is unknowable, suspends judgment regarding them ... The first is the more inclusive and recognizes only two alternatives: Either one believes in the gods or one does not. Consequently, there is no third alternative, as those who call themselves agnostics sometimes claim. Insofar as they lack belief, they are really atheists. Moreover, since absence of belief is the cognitive position in which everyone is born, the burden of proof falls on those who advocate religious belief. The proponents of the second definition, by contrast, regard the first definition as too broad because it includes uninformed children along with aggressive and explicit atheists. Consequently, it is unlikely that the public will adopt it." "
This is an opinion. I am sure his work is a compelling read (no sarcasm intended), but the way one man views certain words does not change their definitions. No matter how educated the man is, nor how much anyone would wish his opinions to be valid.

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BlueMooner: 4) Lastly, this non-dictionary link (a-dictionary?) shares my views, with the benefit of a little graph as well:

http://clearbluereason.org/649/what-is-an-atheist/
The link won't work for me. Regardless, that site is not a dictionary that I have heard of before. I, personally, would take definitions from that site with a grain of salt.

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The link finally worked. Yeah, as I suspected, the site you linked can hardly be seen as an impartial source. :)
Post edited February 01, 2014 by Krypsyn
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Telika: You can always narrow it down to something you don't believe in. Drop the somewhere. You don't believe in earthly pink unicorn ninjas with propeller hats. Especially the ones who live in your room, and are so good at hiding when you turn around. Deep down, you believe they don't exist.
I have never seen them, so that it only evidence that they are highly unlikely, not that they don't exist.
Another type of exemple is directly self-contradictory elements, such as "spherical cubes". Or pink unicorn ninjas with propeller hats directly in front of you. Your beliefs aren't made of positive elements only, they are made of whole systems, whole landscapes, with their absences and their empty spaces and mutual exclusions. Plus, I suspect that many positive things can be rephrased as negative, and reciprocally.
Logical contradiction would be the main way to show that something doesn't exist.
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Soyeong: Christianity was originally viewed as a sect of Judaism, and Christians today have essentially been grafted in to a Jewish religion.

Messianic have the proper understanding Judaism, while those Jews who rejected their savior have missed the boat.
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MaximumBunny: And this is why I encourage you to study, so you can learn why these are misconceptions that Christians have. You probably think Judaism is more difficult and rigorous than Christianity too and that Christianity frees you from all of that (a very popular misconception). :)
Nope, as a Christian I try to keep the Torah.
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hedwards: I'm not sure why the presumption should be that God is good when the evidence is equally strong that, if any Gods exist, they're just as likely to be complete assholes as actual benevolent entities.
The evidence is only equally strong if you don't make much of an effort to try to understand the Bible.
Post edited February 01, 2014 by Soyeong

New Testament is pathetic. Seriously, God is this horrible badass throughout the Old Testament, messing with people basically because he can and he's a dick. All of a sudden, he has a kid walking the Earth and he's all peace and love and shit throughout the New Testament. Terrible! :)
Love and judgement can be found in both Testaments.

New Testament is pathetic. Seriously, God is this horrible badass throughout the Old Testament, messing with people basically because he can and he's a dick. All of a sudden, he has a kid walking the Earth and he's all peace and love and shit throughout the New Testament. Terrible! :)
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Soyeong: Love and judgement can be found in both Testaments.
So much love you have to flood the entire earth rather than just not creating sin?
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pimpmonkey2382: Not to mention he also had himself born (because he's god he just can't APPEAR on earth), and had to send himself on a suicide mission. That's somehow the only way he could forgive sin, rather than just...you know, forgiving them
Understand first, then criticize.
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pimpmonkey2382: Not to mention he also had himself born (because he's god he just can't APPEAR on earth), and had to send himself on a suicide mission. That's somehow the only way he could forgive sin, rather than just...you know, forgiving them
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Soyeong: Understand first, then criticize.
I understand perfectly, and it's completely illogical.
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Soyeong: Love and judgement can be found in both Testaments.
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pimpmonkey2382: So much love you have to flood the entire earth rather than just not creating sin?
I'm not sure why your're confusing judgement with love.
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pimpmonkey2382: I understand perfectly, and it's completely illogical.
It's only illogical when you don't make much of an effort to understand.
Post edited February 01, 2014 by Soyeong
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pimpmonkey2382: So much love you have to flood the entire earth rather than just not creating sin?
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Soyeong: I'm not sure why your're confusing judgement with love.
Offing the entire world for partying too much doesn't seem like love at all. If he was so loving, you'd think he'd create a world without such evil as sex, adultery, murder, etc.
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pimpmonkey2382: Offing the entire world for partying too much doesn't seem like love at all.
You seem to perfectly understand. /eyeroll
If he was so loving, you'd think he'd create a world without such evil as sex, adultery, murder, etc.
Would you prefer to be stripped of your free will?
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pimpmonkey2382: Offing the entire world for partying too much doesn't seem like love at all.
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Soyeong: You seem to perfectly understand. /eyeroll

If he was so loving, you'd think he'd create a world without such evil as sex, adultery, murder, etc.
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Soyeong: Would you prefer to be stripped of your free will?
If christianity is true, we had no free will to begin with.
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pimpmonkey2382: If christianity is true, we had no free will to begin with.
How so?
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pimpmonkey2382: If christianity is true, we had no free will to begin with.
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Soyeong: How so?
For example.

Adam and Eve and the tree. God is all powerful, and knows everything that's going to happen, past, present, future, right?

He could have put the tree in any other location on earth, or better yet, don't even create the tree. BUT he decided to put it in a place with FULL KNOWLEDGE they would eat it and then punished them for doing so. That is deliberate pushing people into doing things thus it's not free will.