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Posted February 26, 2012
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agogfan: In the short run, yes. But after a while there will be a backlash as people realise how much control they've been relinqishing over time.
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StingingVelvet: That's a lot of faith you're putting into people agreeing with you in the future when they don't at all now.
I have faith that people will value their freedom more and more as others try to take it away..
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Well on some level life is a risk-reward balancing act. I know fatty burgers and pizza are bad for me but I sometimes eat them anyway. I know there were some women I slept with when I was younger I shouldn't have. I know there is a chance all my Steam purchases become deadweight someday.
Maybe, But life is not about blindly accepting the risks, it's also about trying to lower them. Yes you might eat this fat saturated pizza from time to time but the rest of the time you could try eating healthier food, yes you might sleep with women, men, horse, aliens, etc... you shouldn't have but for that you have prophylactic to limit the risks.

DRM are not a fatality there are a purely artificial risk; a risk that only exists because not enough peoples care about it. It's like voting, on it's own your vote is meaningless and won't change anything but that doesn't means you shouldn't vote.

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StingingVelvet: How much of your life do you want to spend thinking about this stuff though?
Honestly ? the day I will stop caring about DRM in video games will be the day I will stop caring about games altogether, heck I got rid of my favorite hobby four years ago because I didn't liked the direction its industry was going. For games the day will come too that's for sure; the only thing I don't know yet is if it will happen before or when streaming becomes mandatory.

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StingingVelvet: It depends on the person, but I know for most people DRM is pretty far down their list of give-a-shits, and honestly that is healthy in my opinion, not "complacency." There are a lot more important things to worry about.
There is more important thing to worry about than DRM, SOPA, ACTA, etc... there is always something more important thing to worry about but the issue is that if nobody cares about it then things will only get worse.

Concerning peoples accepting the risks, seriously, and not just for those linked to DRM, in my opinion it's more because of the wonderful power of "denial", peoples don't give a shit because they consider it will only happens to "others" and not to them, or that if it happens to them then a magical fairy will appear to makes thing rights (in case of DRM this magical fairy is called "class action" ).

Maybe you know and fully accept all the risks but I am convinced that you are in the minority, if I had to guess any numbers I would say that maximum 1% really knows and really accept the risks and the other 99% is being split between denial and ignorance.
Posted February 26, 2012
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agogfan: I have faith that people will value their freedom more and more as others try to take it away..
It's still video games though, it's still not something most consider a priority or worth crusading over. Also the loss of freedom comes with enhanced convenience, which is a priority for most customers.

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Gersen: Maybe, But life is not about blindly accepting the risks, it's also about trying to lower them.
There is no lowering them, you either accept the risks of DRM to play the game or you don't play it. I want to play the game and not cut my nose off to spite my face. Also DRM is pretty irrelevant due to cracks.
Posted February 26, 2012
We are inching closer to nuclear war on a daily basis. This world is truly in peril although most of us for sanity's sake try not to think about that too much.

DRM in computer games doesn't even register on the importance meter for me.

That said, I like it when games don't have it such as GOG's offerings. I accept it when it does not adversely affect me such as my experience has been with Steam. I reject it and won't buy games that have limited activations on them simply because I already have a ton of great stuff to play and the potential inconvenience of that scheme isn't worth it to me. I don't care about games that want an always on connection because my connection is always on. If that was an issue for me though, I would pass on those as well.

Even with the examples where there's a line I won't cross there is so much else to play it really doesn't matter to me.

I don't think DRM is going away. I think it will continue to evolve and be refined so it is less upsetting to the greatest number of consumers. Thus I think schemes like limited activations will go away. As it becomes the norm (is it already?) for a majority of gamers to always be online, that requirement might not go away. Who knows? In any case this stuff will sort itself with little worry from me. Meantime, I can skip the few that have unacceptable terms to me and enjoy everything else that is acceptable to me.

Back to the troubles of our world though, we'll be lucky if we are not playing Fallout for real sometime down the road at the rate we are going. Now there is something to worry about which unfortunately we are equally helpless to actually affect. So I would encourage people not to sweat the small stuff too much. There are better things to crusade for.
Post edited February 26, 2012 by dirtyharry50
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Honestly, and I know several people will tell me I am weak and have no principles when I say this, but... honestly if you can skip a game like Skyrim or Mass Effect 3 because of DRM it just tells me you didn't really want to play it that much to begin with.
I don't think this is true.I would say, you can indeed really want to play a game but then abstain from it for a lot of reasons including strong principles but also laziness or stubborness.

In the end it's just a game. Doesn't mean you don't want to play it, but games after all are just games. It's not like happiness depends on them.
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dirtyharry50: We are inching closer to nuclear war on a daily basis. This world is truly in peril although most of us for sanity's sake try not to think about that too much.

DRM in computer games doesn't even register on the importance meter for me....
You really compare these two things? This is crazy. Compared to nuclear war almost everything would be unimportant.
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StingingVelvet: ...I want to play the game and not cut my nose off to spite my face....
It comes down to exactly this. Everybody says his personal opinion and of course they will not all be the same. And then we can go on. How can we argue about personal tastes?
Post edited February 26, 2012 by Trilarion
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Honestly, and I know several people will tell me I am weak and have no principles when I say this, but... honestly if you can skip a game like Skyrim or Mass Effect 3 because of DRM it just tells me you didn't really want to play it that much to begin with.
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Trilarion: I don't think this is true.I would say, you can indeed really want to play a game but then abstain from it for a lot of reasons including strong principles but also laziness or stubborness.

In the end it's just a game. Doesn't mean you don't want to play it, but games after all are just games. It's not like happiness depends on them.
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dirtyharry50: We are inching closer to nuclear war on a daily basis. This world is truly in peril although most of us for sanity's sake try not to think about that too much.

DRM in computer games doesn't even register on the importance meter for me....
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Trilarion: You really compare these two things? This is crazy. Compared to nuclear war almost everything would be unimportant.
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StingingVelvet: ...I want to play the game and not cut my nose off to spite my face....
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Trilarion: It comes down to exactly this. Everybody says his personal opinion and of course they will not all be the same. And then we can go on. How can we argue about personal tastes?
I'm glad you got my point. Almost everything is unimportant, especially this topic.
Posted February 26, 2012
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Trilarion: You really compare these two things? This is crazy. Compared to nuclear war almost everything would be unimportant.
A while ago in this thread DRM was compared to death by smoking, asbestos and saturated foods. It's been lost to hyperbole statements for a while already I think ^^
Posted February 26, 2012
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Trilarion: You really compare these two things? This is crazy. Compared to nuclear war almost everything would be unimportant.
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Pheace: A while ago in this thread DRM was compared to death by smoking, asbestos and saturated foods. It's been lost to hyperbole statements for a while already I think ^^
Pretty funny stuff. I often find the forums as entertaining as gaming itself.
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Honestly, and I know several people will tell me I am weak and have no principles when I say this, but... honestly if you can skip a game like Skyrim or Mass Effect 3 because of DRM it just tells me you didn't really want to play it that much to begin with.
I don't really agree, simply because this is an argument you can easily turn on its head. NOT being able to skip games like Skyrim and Mass Effect 3 in spite of the DRM tells me that you have an unhealthy obsession with games.

For the record, I did buy Skyrim on PC, but I've had so many Steam-related problems with it that I ended up buying a used copy for PS3 and I'm playing that instead now.
Post edited February 26, 2012 by jamyskis
Posted February 26, 2012
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Pheace: A while ago in this thread DRM was compared to death by smoking, asbestos and saturated foods. It's been lost to hyperbole statements for a while already I think ^^
Nope they were not, it's was just to point out that most peoples don't give a damn (or don't want to think) about things that can actually kill them so it's no real surprise they don't give a damn about DRM.
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: There is no lowering them, you either accept the risks of DRM to play the game or you don't play it. I want to play the game and not cut my nose off to spite my face. Also DRM is pretty irrelevant due to cracks.
That's a big oversimplification, between not playing anything containing DRM and and just shrugging off the issue there is a world.

And concerning cracks, yes they allows to remove DRM... for now... but they are at best a temporary workaround and not a real solution.
Post edited February 26, 2012 by Gersen
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: It's still video games though, it's still not something most consider a priority or worth crusading over. Also the loss of freedom comes with enhanced convenience, which is a priority for most customers.
As for convenience, I don't seem to benefit from it. I don't need to be online for a start. I don't care about achivements and I'm not into multiplayer games. If I was, I'd want to play with a bunch of friends on a LAN. All DRM does is make my gaming a far less pleasant experience than it needs to be.

I don't think the gaming companies always realise this. It's like an advert we have over here for a bank and a guy called Steve. The marketing company hasn't woken up to the fact that they're actually starting to annoy their target base, and instead of attracting new customers, they're probably starting to irritate their existing customers too.
Posted February 26, 2012
Gaming for me is as low a priority as possible.

I don't buy new games, no matter what the.cost, as I have 200+ steam titles, 50+ gog titles, and 5-6 xbox titles all unplayed or underplayed.

I think the problem is materialism. Shopping for games, checking gog and steam for sales, talking about games, etc.

There is nothing wrong with playing games, it's the paraphelias attached that can become a burden. In addition, the cost of games in the modern era has skyrocketed due to games being sliced up to allow for DLC. As a general rule, I avoid any game I cannot buy used, complete. That means no games with dlc codes, unless the codes are unused.

I game for maybe 3-4 hours during my workweek, and 2-4 hours on my days off for a total of 5-8 hours a week max. If I not playing a lore immersive title like Fallout Vegas, that drops to 2-4 hours a week. Gaming is my bridge between reality and sleep, just filling a gap that occaisionally exists. That gap is often filled with reading or Breaking Bad. It's not important to me. But it doesn't cause me any stress anymore. If I get into a game, great. If not, I forget it.
Posted February 26, 2012
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StingingVelvet: Honestly, and I know several people will tell me I am weak and have no principles when I say this, but... honestly if you can skip a game like Skyrim or Mass Effect 3 because of DRM it just tells me you didn't really want to play it that much to begin with.
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jamyskis: I don't really agree, simply because this is an argument you can easily turn on its head. NOT being able to skip games like Skyrim and Mass Effect 3 in spite of the DRM tells me that you have an unhealthy obsession with games.

For the record, I did buy Skyrim on PC, but I've had so many Steam-related problems with it that I ended up buying a used copy for PS3 and I'm playing that instead now.
It's easy to skip any game when you have a huge pile of games to play. I mean, unless it's a Batman game. You quit playing other games to play a Batman game:)

In all seriousness, I'll play whatever seems fun at the moment and my pile of games (never played or not played in years but would love to replay) is so big, who cares? ME3? I haven't started ME2 yet even though I loved ME. I just don't have that much time.
Posted February 27, 2012
If we ever would be completely satisfied with everything, we would never develop further. Therefore I conclude that striving for perfection is a human characteristics and not bad. However we should also devote a considerable part of our time to just devour what we have. At the moment I have more games than I can play, no need to even buy here... That's like it is.
Post edited February 27, 2012 by Trilarion
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