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CarrionCrow: Hmmm. Brought animals in, made a few phone calls, did some housework, swiped a couple cigarettes, and there's been no response at all? -laughs-

Oh well, screw it. Will keep tracking this rapidly dying beast until the end....
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donsanderson: I'm still here just can't think of much to say. Consider it moral support if nothing else. ;)
Very kind of you. =) Just got done typing out my haul in the haul thread. Lack of impulse control can be fun. -laughs-
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donsanderson: I'm still here just can't think of much to say. Consider it moral support if nothing else. ;)
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penumbren: Basically the same here. Working on... well, work, and catching up on last year's Doctor Who 50th Anniversary specials. :)
Sitting here amazed that my Netflix started working on Firefox again. Now I can actually try to get my backlog for that down, since I wasn't going to use Windows 8 app tiles for it. Talk about crap.
Post edited December 14, 2014 by CarrionCrow
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donsanderson: I'm still here just can't think of much to say. Consider it moral support if nothing else. ;)
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CarrionCrow: Very kind of you. =) Just got done typing out my haul in the haul thread. Lack of impulse control can be fun. -laughs-
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penumbren: Basically the same here. Working on... well, work, and catching up on last year's Doctor Who 50th Anniversary specials. :)
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CarrionCrow: Sitting here amazed that my Netflix started working on Firefox again. Now I can actually try to get my backlog for that down, since I wasn't going to use Windows 8 app tiles for it. Talk about crap.
I just realized my shelf has grown by 62 games plus a few DLC's in the last 30 days. That alone is enough to keep me playing for the conceivable future. No wonder I can't find anything else here I really want. :/
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CarrionCrow: Very kind of you. =) Just got done typing out my haul in the haul thread. Lack of impulse control can be fun. -laughs-

Sitting here amazed that my Netflix started working on Firefox again. Now I can actually try to get my backlog for that down, since I wasn't going to use Windows 8 app tiles for it. Talk about crap.
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donsanderson: I just realized my shelf has grown by 62 games plus a few DLC's in the last 30 days. That alone is enough to keep me playing for the conceivable future. No wonder I can't find anything else here I really want. :/
Well, it definitely looks like your wishlist is on the low side. Only thing you have listed that's on a deeper sale than the 50 percent overall is Unreal Tournament 2004.
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CarrionCrow: Sitting here amazed that my Netflix started working on Firefox again. Now I can actually try to get my backlog for that down, since I wasn't going to use Windows 8 app tiles for it. Talk about crap.
I still need to finish series 6 and watch series 7. *sigh* I really, really didn't enjoy Eleven's run. His characterization of the Doctor is okay, but doesn't stand out for me, and the storylines just... enh. Saying they didn't do anything for me is probably an understatement; I actively disliked series 5, and that's a first for me.

I need to get back to watching the old school episodes again, but I need to find my copies first. I'm OCD enough that when I discovered the show, I ended up watching them chronologically, which was great fun until the DVDs got misplaced. I'm somewhere near the end of Four's run, I believe.
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donsanderson: I just realized my shelf has grown by 62 games plus a few DLC's in the last 30 days. That alone is enough to keep me playing for the conceivable future. No wonder I can't find anything else here I really want. :/
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CarrionCrow: Well, it definitely looks like your wishlist is on the low side. Only thing you have listed that's on a deeper sale than the 50 percent overall is Unreal Tournament 2004.
Actually I'm reaching to get the wishlist that big. There are really only 2 on that list that are real wants. D:OS is the biggest but I'll wait for a deeper discount than in this sale.
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CarrionCrow: Sitting here amazed that my Netflix started working on Firefox again. Now I can actually try to get my backlog for that down, since I wasn't going to use Windows 8 app tiles for it. Talk about crap.
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penumbren: I still need to finish series 6 and watch series 7. *sigh* I really, really didn't enjoy Eleven's run. His characterization of the Doctor is okay, but doesn't stand out for me, and the storylines just... enh. Saying they didn't do anything for me is probably an understatement; I actively disliked series 5, and that's a first for me.

I need to get back to watching the old school episodes again, but I need to find my copies first. I'm OCD enough that when I discovered the show, I ended up watching them chronologically, which was great fun until the DVDs got misplaced. I'm somewhere near the end of Four's run, I believe.
Understandable, I'm the same way. Have been hearing about Doctor Who for years, but the old stuff is obviously still a part of the overall lore all the way to present, so not watching those beforehand feels like doing myself a disservice.
Working on a combination of Luther, Red Dwarf, Archer, Twin Peaks, X-Files, Samurai Champloo, Full Metal Alchemist and Twilight Zone at the moment. Maybe by the time I'm done with that, I'll be able to start Doctor Who from as early as possible.
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CarrionCrow: Well, it definitely looks like your wishlist is on the low side. Only thing you have listed that's on a deeper sale than the 50 percent overall is Unreal Tournament 2004.
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donsanderson: Actually I'm reaching to get the wishlist that big. There are really only 2 on that list that are real wants. D:OS is the biggest but I'll wait for a deeper discount than in this sale.
Yeah, I keep hearing good things about that one, but when you've got 3 dollar games everywhere, dropping 26 on a single item gets tricky in a hurry. Thinking that, Wasteland 2, Pillars of Eternity and Legend of Grimrock 2.
Holding off on stuff like Icewind Dale Enhanced since it's still got a whole lot of bugs....
Post edited December 14, 2014 by CarrionCrow
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CarrionCrow: Understandable, I'm the same way. Have been hearing about Doctor Who for years, but the old stuff is obviously still a part of the overall lore all the way to present, so not watching those beforehand feels like doing myself a disservice.
Working on a combination of Luther, Red Dwarf, Archer, Twin Peaks, X-Files, Samurai Champloo, Full Metal Alchemist and Twilight Zone at the moment. Maybe by the time I'm done with that, I'll be able to start Doctor Who from as early as possible.
Wow. That's way more television than I can keep track of, let alone be/stay interested in. I have a really short attention span for television, so I tend to be pretty selective about what I watch - if it doesn't interest me pretty quickly, I'm not going to keep up with it.

You can watch the new Doctor Who without ever watching anything of the old; although there are a lot of nods and in-jokes and references that would go over your head, none of them actually affect the episodes or stories. (Sort of like when Ten visits Pompeii and references the time he accidentally set Rome on fire... which happened back in the first or second series, forty-odd years earlier in the show. It had me giggling in glee, but not knowing the old story didn't stop the roommates from liking the new one.) Anyway... yeah. I need to force myself to finish out Eleven's time, because the bit of Twelve I've seen I really like. I suspect I'll end up finishing that series before I go back to Matt Smith's Doctor, honestly.
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CarrionCrow: Understandable, I'm the same way. Have been hearing about Doctor Who for years, but the old stuff is obviously still a part of the overall lore all the way to present, so not watching those beforehand feels like doing myself a disservice.
Working on a combination of Luther, Red Dwarf, Archer, Twin Peaks, X-Files, Samurai Champloo, Full Metal Alchemist and Twilight Zone at the moment. Maybe by the time I'm done with that, I'll be able to start Doctor Who from as early as possible.
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penumbren: Wow. That's way more television than I can keep track of, let alone be/stay interested in. I have a really short attention span for television, so I tend to be pretty selective about what I watch - if it doesn't interest me pretty quickly, I'm not going to keep up with it.

You can watch the new Doctor Who without ever watching anything of the old; although there are a lot of nods and in-jokes and references that would go over your head, none of them actually affect the episodes or stories. (Sort of like when Ten visits Pompeii and references the time he accidentally set Rome on fire... which happened back in the first or second series, forty-odd years earlier in the show. It had me giggling in glee, but not knowing the old story didn't stop the roommates from liking the new one.) Anyway... yeah. I need to force myself to finish out Eleven's time, because the bit of Twelve I've seen I really like. I suspect I'll end up finishing that series before I go back to Matt Smith's Doctor, honestly.
Well, that's good to know at least. I can watch more recent episodes and pick up the rest as I can locate them.
Also not the biggest fan when it comes to TV, at least half the time Netflix just sits there. But there are a few items I really do want to watch, would like to get at least some of them done before Netflix wipes them out.
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CarrionCrow: Well, that's good to know at least. I can watch more recent episodes and pick up the rest as I can locate them.
Also not the biggest fan when it comes to TV, at least half the time Netflix just sits there. But there are a few items I really do want to watch, would like to get at least some of them done before Netflix wipes them out.
I would suggest watching the current episodes in order within each series; the new!Who series each have an overarching 'meta' storyline that gets told throughout the season. The seasons can probably be watched in any order, although, again, there are lots of references to earlier series. Old!Who gets nods and relatively subtle references, but other new!Who stuff refers to itself pretty frequently, so there will be things that make more sense if watched in order, but it shouldn't be enough to ruin anything if watched out of order.

Old!Who can be watched in any real order, as long as you watch each serial as a whole*, although jumping around too much will be confusing because of the changes in Doctors and companions.

* Old!Who didn't do episodic storytelling; they did serials, generally about four to six half-hour episodes. I think they did one or two one-episode stories, and one ten-episode series, which is, in my opinion, one of the best they did.

I'll be honest: New!Who is what sucked me in, and I really, really like Nine and Ten (although I can't much stand Rose), but I fell in love with old!Who because it charmed me so much. I'm a bit of an oddity amongst newer fans, that way. :)

.... yeah, rambling now.
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CarrionCrow: Well, that's good to know at least. I can watch more recent episodes and pick up the rest as I can locate them.
Also not the biggest fan when it comes to TV, at least half the time Netflix just sits there. But there are a few items I really do want to watch, would like to get at least some of them done before Netflix wipes them out.
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penumbren: I would suggest watching the current episodes in order within each series; the new!Who series each have an overarching 'meta' storyline that gets told throughout the season. The seasons can probably be watched in any order, although, again, there are lots of references to earlier series. Old!Who gets nods and relatively subtle references, but other new!Who stuff refers to itself pretty frequently, so there will be things that make more sense if watched in order, but it shouldn't be enough to ruin anything if watched out of order.

Old!Who can be watched in any real order, as long as you watch each serial as a whole*, although jumping around too much will be confusing because of the changes in Doctors and companions.

* Old!Who didn't do episodic storytelling; they did serials, generally about four to six half-hour episodes. I think they did one or two one-episode stories, and one ten-episode series, which is, in my opinion, one of the best they did.

I'll be honest: New!Who is what sucked me in, and I really, really like Nine and Ten (although I can't much stand Rose), but I fell in love with old!Who because it charmed me so much. I'm a bit of an oddity amongst newer fans, that way. :)

.... yeah, rambling now.
You call it rambling, I call it a tutorial that looks pretty necessary given how frigging convoluted the whole setup is for someone just trying to find a good place to start watching. -laughs-
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CarrionCrow: You call it rambling, I call it a tutorial that looks pretty necessary given how frigging convoluted the whole setup is for someone just trying to find a good place to start watching. -laughs-
*g* The tl;dr version: Watch the seasons/series/serials in whatever order you want, but watch the episodes within each season/series/serial in order. (New!Who is probably preferable to start from the beginning at least of each different Doctor's run, but still not what I'd call necessary.)

I actually fell in to watching them in order by accident; I caught the BBC America repeats of the first few reboot seasons out of order and finally went looking for the old episodes. I watched the first serial, was about to watch whatever the next one was that I'd found, and then realized that the old!Who serials led into each other. They're minor lead-ins, in classic serial form - a minute or a few seconds at the end of the one, leading into the storyline of the next - so can be safely ignored, but I find it more fun to do it as originally intended. (Mind you, I did spend an entire year reading all of the The Shadow and Doc Savage stories from the 1930s-40s in order, so... yeah. I got used to the serial-lead-in-method, but my OCD tendencies tend to be a bit odd.)

It's worth noting that the Lost Episodes actually can be listened to - for whatever reason, the audio of every single episode was preserved even when the episodes were accidentally wiped. All of them can be found online and downloaded as fan-made videos consisting of photo stills (a mix of publicity and behind-the-scenes - BBC used to document everything in photos) set to the audio, so they're very watchable. Two is one of my favorite Doctors, and the one who had the most lost episodes - a majority of his work, I think - so those fan videos were almost indispensable for me.

Personally, I find that the convoluted-ness of it all is really what adds to its charm and its legend; it contradicts itself every now and then (the Earth has been created in how many different ways??), but with "time travel!" as the final answer, all you can do is shrug. And smile. And go watch another episode. :)
Post edited December 14, 2014 by penumbren
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CarrionCrow: You call it rambling, I call it a tutorial that looks pretty necessary given how frigging convoluted the whole setup is for someone just trying to find a good place to start watching. -laughs-
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penumbren: *g* The tl;dr version: Watch the seasons/series/serials in whatever order you want, but watch the episodes within each season/series/serial in order. (New!Who is probably preferable to start from the beginning at least of each different Doctor's run, but still not what I'd call necessary.)

I actually fell in to watching them in order by accident; I caught the BBC America repeats of the first few reboot seasons out of order and finally went looking for the old episodes. I watched the first serial, was about to watch whatever the next one was that I'd found, and then realized that the old!Who serials led into each other. They're minor lead-ins, in classic serial form - a minute or a few seconds at the end of the one, leading into the storyline of the next - so can be safely ignored, but I find it more fun to do it as originally intended. (Mind you, I did spend an entire year reading all of the The Shadow and Doc Savage stories from the 1930s-40s in order, so... yeah. I got used to the serial-lead-in-method, but my OCD tendencies tend to be a bit odd.)

It's worth noting that the Lost Episodes actually can be listened to - for whatever reason, the audio of every single episode was preserved even when the episodes were accidentally wiped. All of them can be found online and downloaded as fan-made videos consisting of photo stills (a mix of publicity and behind-the-scenes - BBC used to document everything in photos) set to the audio, so they're very watchable. Two is one of my favorite Doctors, and the one who had the most lost episodes - a majority of his work, I think - so those fan videos were almost indispensable for me.

Personally, I find that the convoluted-ness of it all is really what adds to its charm and its legend; it contradicts itself every now and then (the Earth has been created in how many different ways??), but with "time travel!" as the final answer, all you can do is shrug. And smile. And go watch another episode. :)
Going to copy/paste what you're saying onto a notepad file for future reference while bumping Dr. Who up on my priority list. Might as well make the best of crap weather. -laughs-
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CarrionCrow: Going to copy/paste what you're saying onto a notepad file for future reference while bumping Dr. Who up on my priority list. Might as well make the best of crap weather. -laughs-
Hah! If you get lost regardless, Wiki has good overviews. (The fan-made videos for the lost old!Who eps are on that questionable edge of legality, but easily findable, and even last year some of the lost episodes were found and will be released by the BBC, so yay!)

Have fun with it! There are happy episodes and heartbreaking ones and ridiculous ones, but really, they're all fun.
Is there still a sale going on? All I see is chatting about TV shows :)

We don't really watch much / any TV, so I've got nothing to add to that. Pretty much the only thing I watch with any regularity is Hockey Night in Canada, and I'm pretty hit and miss on that - depends who's playing.

I think I truly am done with this sale. I can't see anything else that I'm going to buy. If I wasn't so broke, there are a few things I would buy, but I just know I might never get around to playing them, so I'm being frugal and just not buying.
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CarrionCrow: Going to copy/paste what you're saying onto a notepad file for future reference while bumping Dr. Who up on my priority list. Might as well make the best of crap weather. -laughs-
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penumbren: Hah! If you get lost regardless, Wiki has good overviews. (The fan-made videos for the lost old!Who eps are on that questionable edge of legality, but easily findable, and even last year some of the lost episodes were found and will be released by the BBC, so yay!)

Have fun with it! There are happy episodes and heartbreaking ones and ridiculous ones, but really, they're all fun.
I'm sure I will. If nothing else, it'll make for a nice addition to everything else, I'm sure. =)