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LynetteC: So automatic updates are the main positive of Steam?

There was a time in days gone by that update systems were actually written into the game by the developer instead of them relying on some 3rd party DRM/client to provide the service. Sure, you have to hiy the 'Check for Updates' button every now and again, but it's on your own terms snd at a time that's convenient to you.

There's only one thing more annoying than firing up a game for a quick blast and having to wait for updates to download and install because you don't have the choice of bypassing them - it's when the updates aren't even for the game, but the 3rd party client that it NEEDS to run!
Steam can set each games so it won't auto update or let you bypass it completely.

Except for online games like Dota 2.

Get the fact right first before posting.


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LynetteC: I know, I know - I should have read the system requirements but as I have 8Gb RAM and a 2Gb graphics card, I don't tend to look at the specs on older games. It never occurred to me that I would buy a physical CD and still have to download the game to install it!
And I am not surprised, given your previous post.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by zeroxxx
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LynetteC: Nah, I think that's why he has a poorly wrist! ;-p

Just kidding Tarnicus. :-) How's you tonight/today - what time is Down Under when it's 3am in the UK anyway? lol
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txnca: Well, I'm not sure what time it is Down Under, but here in Ontario it is 10pm and I have 1 last day that I have to get up early and get the kids off to school! THANK GOD! Then I can start really getting serious about playing some games!
We've got a couple of weeks before schools break up here but I still have to get up early for work. :-( I've got two weeks off at the beginning of August but as we're off to Spain on holiday I doubt I'll be spending any time on my laptop - in fact, I don't even think I'll be taking it with me. Queue withdrawal symptoms! lol
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LynetteC: Nah, I think that's why he has a poorly wrist! ;-p

Just kidding Tarnicus. :-) How's you tonight/today - what time is Down Under when it's 3am in the UK anyway? lol
MunkiSiren is the horse lover, I'm a cat-man myself lol

It's just past midday here but I've been awake since 11pm. My sleeping patterns are all over the place. I tried to go back to sleep at 2am and after laying in bed for a couple of hours I gave up.

I think that is accounting for my strange taste in game purchases today but I feel like diversifying my spending(note: not playing :P) and filling up my GOG shelf a little more. I read that you are already at 130 on yours which is very impressive given how new you are to GOG!
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Tarnicus: lol you do know that there are professional animal wankers?
Man, that was just a little bit more information as I ever wanted! Wondering if I can ever sleep again, since I`ve read this I am forced to imagine this. Well, at least they don`t give the animals some head, what a frightening imagination!
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joppo: *snip*.
Ten years ago Yahoo was king and very few people had ever heard of Google.
*snip*
I'm moving away from Google myself in every aspect I can as I'm not fond of supporting companies whose business practises I despise. I've just swapped to DuckDuckGo after using Google for the past 12 years or so and the transition from the familiar to unfamiliar is strange but change is a part of life and I need to practise adapting to it more often.
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LynetteC: So automatic updates are the main positive of Steam?

There was a time in days gone by that update systems were actually written into the game by the developer instead of them relying on some 3rd party DRM/client to provide the service. Sure, you have to hiy the 'Check for Updates' button every now and again, but it's on your own terms snd at a time that's convenient to you.

There's only one thing more annoying than firing up a game for a quick blast and having to wait for updates to download and install because you don't have the choice of bypassing them - it's when the updates aren't even for the game, but the 3rd party client that it NEEDS to run!
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zeroxxx: Steam can set each games so it won't auto update or let you bypass it completely.

Except for online games like Dota 2.

Get the fact right first before posting.

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LynetteC: I know, I know - I should have read the system requirements but as I have 8Gb RAM and a 2Gb graphics card, I don't tend to look at the specs on older games. It never occurred to me that I would buy a physical CD and still have to download the game to install it!
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zeroxxx: And I am not surprised, given your previous post.
Wow, rude much?

I've highlighted the important part of my complaint about Steam so you don't miss it - you can't turn off updates for the client itself. EDIT - And if you have no internet access when Steam needs to update itself you're shit out of luck because you can't get to your games until it gets it's update.

Try a little bit of reading comprehension before telling me to get my facts right.

I'm not even going to dignify that last insult with a response.

Jeez!
Post edited June 26, 2014 by LynetteC
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Tarnicus: lol you do know that there are professional animal wankers? The things one learns when one has a girlfriend who studied a precursor to veterinary science. Was tempted to take this thread right into the gutter but I shall refrain...for now :P
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txnca: I know there are! lol I used to work as a pig breeder and we used tubes of pig sperm to inseminate the sows. I once asked the boss where it came from and he told me about the guys that do that work. It takes all kinds!
Yeah I was amazed when I found out that such work is carried out by er hand lol I'm all for sharing the love and helping others to have a little joy in life but that is a bit beyond my love of animals lol
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LynetteC: Nah, I think that's why he has a poorly wrist! ;-p

Just kidding Tarnicus. :-) How's you tonight/today - what time is Down Under when it's 3am in the UK anyway? lol
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Tarnicus: MunkiSiren is the horse lover, I'm a cat-man myself lol

It's just past midday here but I've been awake since 11pm. My sleeping patterns are all over the place. I tried to go back to sleep at 2am and after laying in bed for a couple of hours I gave up.

I think that is accounting for my strange taste in game purchases today but I feel like diversifying my spending(note: not playing :P) and filling up my GOG shelf a little more. I read that you are already at 130 on yours which is very impressive given how new you are to GOG!
And that's not counting all of the codes I've bought for gifting! I blame the crazy sales. :-)

My body clock is shot due to the hours I keep at weekends - home from the office on Friday evening, then out to a gig and getting home again at 3-4am in the morning, sleeping past lunchtime then doing it all again on Saturday night.

I'm going to have to get a few hours soon though as I'm up at 7am to get my daughter off to school and myself to work.

EDIT:

I meant to ask, what did GOG tempt you into buying today?
Post edited June 26, 2014 by LynetteC
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LynetteC: So automatic updates are the main positive of Steam?

There was a time in days gone by that update systems were actually written into the game by the developer instead of them relying on some 3rd party DRM/client to provide the service. Sure, you have to hiy the 'Check for Updates' button every now and again, but it's on your own terms snd at a time that's convenient to you.

There's only one thing more annoying than firing up a game for a quick blast and having to wait for updates to download and install because you don't have the choice of bypassing them - it's when the updates aren't even for the game, but the 3rd party client that it NEEDS to run!
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zeroxxx: Steam can set each games so it won't auto update or let you bypass it completely.

Except for online games like Dota 2.

Get the fact right first before posting.

*snip*
Except that feature is disabling auto-updates has been fucked for how many years? It finally appears to be working after users complained over and over and over and over and over and...well you get the picture?

So you might want to get your own facts right :)

To others commenting on Steam as being DRM, it only uses DRM if the developer or publisher include it by using their:

"CEG (Custom Executable Generation) is Valve's alternative to the pitfalls of DRM and part of Steamworks, the company's free suite of publishing and development tools. What this technology does is register each copy of a game unique to one user, who can then use the title between compatible PCs without any kind of limits or root kits."

There are many Steam games who installation folders can simply be copied to other computers and don't even require the client once downloaded. Fortunately for those who care, GOG offers this with EVERY game :)

A lot has changed with Steam over the years and it is a hell of a lot better than it once was. I consider it a place to rent games mostly, not own them as I do with games from here and other DRM free sites.

Oh fuck it I got lured in to beating off that dead horse and feel dirty already :P
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LynetteC: Wow, rude much?

I've highlighted the important part of my complaint about Steam so you don't miss it - you can't turn off updates for the client itself.

Try a little bit of reading comprehension before telling me to get my facts right.

I'm not even going to dignify that last insult with a response.

Jeez!
I'm going to make a cup of tea now that I couldn't help but get into this. Nice uppercut there Lynette, I reckon that comment of yours was a knockout blow :)
There are tons of threads on the Steam forums about auto-updating of games (not the client as Lynette mentioned) and here is one from a different site but basically explains the issue(that might have been finally fixed earlier this year) where disabling auto-updates didn't work.

"This is a really old problem with Steam, it's been either unable or unwilling to remember that setting for as long as it's been around. If you have a real interest in working around it you can put your steamapps folder under source control, but it doesn't look like a fix is coming anytime soon."
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Tarnicus
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LynetteC: *snip*
I meant to ask, what did GOG tempt you into buying today?
From GOG today:

Lilly Looking Through
Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, The
Far Cry®
Overlord + Raising Hell
Guacamelee! Gold Edition
Dust: An Elysian Tail

I've got 3 of those on Steam but prefer them on my GOG shelf :)
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Tarnicus: From GOG today:

Lilly Looking Through
Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, The
Far Cry®
Overlord + Raising Hell
Guacamelee! Gold Edition
Dust: An Elysian Tail

I've got 3 of those on Steam but prefer them on my GOG shelf :)
I'm looking forward to trying out the Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, really love the movies ;)
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zeroxxx: *snip*
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Tarnicus: Except that feature is disabling auto-updates has been fucked for how many years? It finally appears to be working after users complained over and over and over and over and over and...well you get the picture?

So you might want to get your own facts right :)

To others commenting on Steam as being DRM, it only uses DRM if the developer or publisher include it by using their:

"CEG (Custom Executable Generation) is Valve's alternative to the pitfalls of DRM and part of Steamworks, the company's free suite of publishing and development tools. What this technology does is register each copy of a game unique to one user, who can then use the title between compatible PCs without any kind of limits or root kits."

There are many Steam games who installation folders can simply be copied to other computers and don't even require the client once downloaded. Fortunately for those who care, GOG offers this with EVERY game :)

A lot has changed with Steam over the years and it is a hell of a lot better than it once was. I consider it a place to rent games mostly, not own them as I do with games from here and other DRM free sites.

Oh fuck it I got lured in to beating off that dead horse and feel dirty already :P
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LynetteC: Wow, rude much?

I've highlighted the important part of my complaint about Steam so you don't miss it - you can't turn off updates for the client itself.

Try a little bit of reading comprehension before telling me to get my facts right.

I'm not even going to dignify that last insult with a response.

Jeez!
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Tarnicus: I'm going to make a cup of tea now that I couldn't help but get into this. Nice uppercut there Lynette, I reckon that comment of yours was a knockout blow :)
lol Thanks Tarnicus.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me and I'm quite happy to consider positive comments about Steam - I'm not totally averse to the system as I've stated in several previous posts. However, I do expect any disagreement to be polite. I don't disrespect other people even if I don't agree with their opinions and I expect the same courtesy in return. I had to edit that response several times before hitting the 'Post' button to keep myself out of trouble!
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LynetteC: Now that I have Steam installed, I've bought several other games in addition to Anna, including both Witchers.

I used to prefer to have physical copies of games but since I discovered GOG (which was, incidentally, around the same time as I bought Anna and installed Steam), I've embraced digital downloads but this has not reflected in my Steam purchases. Thanks to Insomnia, the daily/weekly deals and the ongoing Summer Sale I have 130 games on my GOG shelf (not including the games that are permanently free to download and my Witcher backups) compared to 12 on my Steam account.

For the most part Steam has not intruded on my gameplay, but waiting for updates before I can play is annoying and once not being able to play because the client required an update when I had no internet access was extremely frustrating. These are the downsides to the so-called 'convenience' of Steam which is why, where I can, I'll purchase a GOG version over a Steam one any day of the week. :-)
GOG is what got me embracing digital downloads as well! I was a naysayer before, but I really love what this service has done for the industry, and for my gaming life in general. The only time I purchase a physical copy anymore is if it doesn't force Steam AND has a really cool collector's edition to go with it.
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trentonlf: I'm looking forward to trying out the Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena, really love the movies ;)
Yeah I grabbed that for my girlfriend as she also loves the movies. I don't seem to appreciate them as I did when I was younger :) I said to her "we already have that one on DVD" (referring to the above game) and fortunately she set me straight and told me that no Dark Athena was the sequel to the game we have.

I'm starting to really enjoy being proven wrong as it reminds me that I am a human being after all :)
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LynetteC: lol Thanks Tarnicus.

I don't mind people disagreeing with me and I'm quite happy to consider positive comments about Steam - I'm not totally averse to the system as I've stated in several previous posts. However, I do expect any disagreement to be polite. I don't disrespect other people even if I don't agree with their opinions and I expect the same courtesy in return. I had to edit that response several times before hitting the 'Post' button to keep myself out of trouble!
I'm slowly learning not to be as combative as I once was but it is a very slow process lol. Hopefully some day I will learn to shrug off rudeness and perceived injustice but at this stage in life I still bite far too often.
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Tarnicus
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Cyberevil: Yea I hate having Skyrim on there though. Mine is VERY modded and sure it makes it a tad unstable, but I know that the "steam updates" CTD me just as often as my own obsession with mods.
A word of advice regarding Skyrim mods, coming from someone with almost 20 years modding experience and has modded TES games since Morrowind first released, stay away from the Steamworks mods. Not because I hate Steam, but because it doesn't do any of the things necessary to give a crashless modding experience, like load-order. It also auto-updates your mods, which can can cause catastrophe if you have multiple mods installed. Stick to using the Nexus Mod Manager and mods from Skyrim Nexus (the Nexus was the original mod resource for TES since Morrowind). Mods are usually released there first, and you'll hardly ever find the really good high quality mods on Steamworks.