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Posted June 26, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: Why don't you do what I did and unsubscribe from their mailing list? ;-)
I don't receive a ton of marketing emails from them, but this one definitely caught my eye.

Unsubscribe: done and done. :)
Posted June 26, 2014
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IAmSinistar: Entirely understandable. It's one of those I bought-and-installed-and-played, rather than backlogging patiently with the rest. :)
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skeletonbow: Yeah, I freed up space to install it and a handful of others just in case Banished shows up as a freebie by the end of the promo. One way or another my disk is going to fill up again though, it is inevitable with the pile of stuff from this promo season hehe.
well banished is like 40mb or something, not gonna take a large bite out of your space. :p
Posted June 26, 2014
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IAmSinistar: So

Yes indeed, GOG likes to a fill a drive. :) That's part of the reason why when I recently got a new PC, I made sure I had two internal drives with more than a terabyte each. A 3T external drive is a really sanity saviour as well for me.
My 1TB external drive is no longer enough, gonna have to bump it up to a 3 too. DAMN YOU INSOMNIA AND SUMMER SALES!!
Posted June 26, 2014
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trentonlf: My 1TB external drive is no longer enough, gonna have to bump it up to a 3 too. DAMN YOU INSOMNIA AND SUMMER SALES!!
A smart move on your part. My next will probably be a 5T, if my music and movie collection keeps apace of my game collection.

And to think it wasn't all that long ago that buying a terabyte drive sounded like science fiction to me.
Posted June 26, 2014
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trentonlf: My 1TB external drive is no longer enough, gonna have to bump it up to a 3 too. DAMN YOU INSOMNIA AND SUMMER SALES!!
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IAmSinistar: A smart move on your part. My next will probably be a 5T, if my music and movie collection keeps apace of my game collection.

And to think it wasn't all that long ago that buying a terabyte drive sounded like science fiction to me.
I got 14tb and still not enough. :p
Posted June 26, 2014
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IAmSinistar: Hi Chezy! I have a Still Life 2 code from the previous freebie if you missed it and want that. Just let me know. :)
HI hows you my friend? hope your well. im ok thanks, id rather it go to someone who would love it as its not really my cup of tea, if you dont mind? mega thanks for the offer though!
Posted June 26, 2014
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lugum: I got 14tb and still not enough. :p
So you're the guy in charge of mirroring The Pirate Bay. ;)
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chezybezy: HI hows you my friend? hope your well. im ok thanks, id rather it go to someone who would love it as its not really my cup of tea, if you dont mind? mega thanks for the offer though!
I'm good Chezy, hope you've been well too. Nae worries about the game, I can hold onto it for the next giveaway. Just wanted to give you first crack at it. :)
Post edited June 26, 2014 by IAmSinistar
Posted June 26, 2014
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lugum: I got 14tb and still not enough. :p
It never is. You always need more and more, until one day you wake up from your desk with a vicious hangover, surrounded by cheap whisky bottles after having spent a drunken night trying to individually line up bits of data on a hubcap with a fridge magnet.

True Story
Post edited June 26, 2014 by j0ekerr
Posted June 26, 2014
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skeletonbow: That is why developers want to use things like Direct3D or OpenGL
I don't think Steam distribution is analogous to OpenGL. Glide, possibly.
Posted June 26, 2014
I think what I learned from this thread that if we are deciding what people want more, convenience vs. taking a stand against THE MAN (DRM-FREE), convenience wins by such a large margin that it's not even fair. I'm glad people have strong morals and convictions in what they believe in (it's why this site exists) but it doesn't make your 'message' that much effective when you criticize the opposing view.

Simply because the opposing view wants convenience and wants to play games like Skyrim or Borderlands or Civ V or take your pick of any AAA game that has been released.
Posted June 26, 2014
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synfresh: I think what I learned from this thread that if we are deciding what people want more, convenience vs. taking a stand against THE MAN (DRM-FREE), convenience wins by such a large margin that it's not even fair. I'm glad people have strong morals and convictions in what they believe in (it's why this site exists) but it doesn't make your 'message' that much effective when you criticize the opposing view.

Simply because the opposing view wants convenience and wants to play games like Skyrim or Borderlands or Civ V or take your pick of any AAA game that has been released.
The distinction here is that I, and others, are critiquing. That is, trying to provide a balanced analysis of the competing stratagems. Not simply saying "DRM lovers are dumb".

The issue is not whether convenience trumps ideology, because I find GOG entirely convenient for my needs. I do not find forced clients and always-on internet requirement convenient. So it's a straw man as to whether one service is more convenient than the other, because the definition of convenience varies by user.

What is not in question is that DRM is more convenient for vendors and publishers. And since they want it, they prefer marketing channels that support it. Thus you see them going to extra efforts to try to ensure that those market channels have more product, and they use what measures they can to make it more attractive to consumers, even though in the end their product is engineered for themselves first, and the consumer second.

This isn't opinion, this isn't conspiracy, it's simply business. It's not just in games that these marketing forces are in play, but across the board. As an example, consider breakfast cereals. The ones that are actually worth eating are relegated to the sides, whereas the ones which aren't very good for you (but which make more money) are front-and-center, with the bigger advertising budgets and free achievements (I mean prizes) inside. This is because the crap that makes them money is the stuff they are more interested in selling than the stuff with your best interests at heart.

You want to support that, go ahead. You don't need to justify your choices to us. Just as we don't need to validate your choices in return.
Posted June 26, 2014
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j0ekerr: Ye Gods, every single time. It installs DirectX, again and again and again and...
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skeletonbow: The overwhelming majority of consumers just want an "it works" experience and just don't care about things like this. Only power users and people who are technically savvy and experienced 80s/90s "greybeards" tend to even know the difference or care about such low level details, or things such as what version of DOSBox a game ships with and why doesn't it install one DOSBox and have all 300 games use it etc. 99% of consumers simply don't care and the 1% that do are technically skilled to modify their system on their own.

For the record, I am one of those 80s/90s greybeards and a power user and tech geek, and even I got tired of all that crap long ago and reaiized life is short and I don't care if every game installs 2GB of extra copies of DirectX Y and Z now, with 8 copies of DOSBOx per game because I just want to play the damn game and a 2TB hard disk costs $80 or less. If I run out of space I'll cash in some old beer bottles and buy a new hard disk and pat the game companies on the back for wasting space and making my life easier. :)
Actually as "one of those 80s/90s greybeards and a power user and tech geek" having the Galaxy use a One Dosbox to rule them all approach is one of the main reasons I look forward to it, especially in terms of Multiplayer support for Good Old Games... You say I should restrain my hopes? :(
Posted June 26, 2014
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vulchor: They are like the Walmart of gaming. Try to unionize, you're fired. Speak to the media about deplorable working conditions, you're fired. Try to get OSHA involved, you're fired.
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Kaylakaze: Maybe if the people at GoG had pulled their heads out of their butts sooner and provided a proper client that did what Steam and Desura do several years ago, Steam wouldn't be the go to option for most gamers. Many people now won't buy something on GoG and will even spend a few dollars more to have it on Steam. I know I'm hesitant to buy stuff on GoG because I know it'll be more of a hassle to download and install, and then, since I don't have a client which is essentially my central hub of gaming, I'm less likely to play a GoG game that I have installed.
HASSLE?!? Really? I'm only 30, which I didn't think was that old. By many estimates, I'm part of the millennial generation (although I identify with gen x). Steam is by far more hassle when I have to find cracks for the games to disable the steam integration, otherwise be forced to deal with cycles being wasted running useless software in the background, not to mention having to manually tell steam for every single game I own to DO NOT auto-update or my hacks and mods will be broken. Then the client software itself sometimes auto-updates and resets all of my individual game settings, turning things like online save-game backup (which has corrupted my Skyrim saves multiple times) and auto-update. Also, you are INCREDIBLY restricted where you can install your games to as well.

No Kayla, GOG is not more hassle, it's less, and that is partially because it does not have a client. That said, GOG Galaxy might have some nice features, however I doubt I'll ever use it. GOG has made it very simple and hassle free for you to save the installers using whatever organizational structure you like, run them when you want, update your game or not (choice!), and install wherever, whenever you want.

I think the problem is not with GOG's lack of of a client, but your lack of knowledge.

[EDIT] (Sorry for this being uncharacteristically harsh from me, somehow reading a lot of these opinions has stepped up my emotional level, because I have been very emotionally invested, like so many of you here, in gaming for my whole life)

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skeletonbow: The overwhelming majority of consumers just want an "it works" experience and just don't care about things like this. Only power users and people who are technically savvy and experienced 80s/90s "greybeards" tend to even know the difference or care about such low level details, or things such as what version of DOSBox a game ships with and why doesn't it install one DOSBox and have all 300 games use it etc. 99% of consumers simply don't care and the 1% that do are technically skilled to modify their system on their own.

For the record, I am one of those 80s/90s greybeards and a power user and tech geek, and even I got tired of all that crap long ago and reaiized life is short and I don't care if every game installs 2GB of extra copies of DirectX Y and Z now, with 8 copies of DOSBOx per game because I just want to play the damn game and a 2TB hard disk costs $80 or less. If I run out of space I'll cash in some old beer bottles and buy a new hard disk and pat the game companies on the back for wasting space and making my life easier. :)
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BlackThorny: Actually as "one of those 80s/90s greybeards and a power user and tech geek" having the Galaxy use a One Dosbox to rule them all approach is one of the main reasons I look forward to it, especially in terms of Multiplayer support for Good Old Games... You say I should restrain my hopes? :(
Is that confirmed? Galaxy will let you plug in the directory of your DOSBOX and then just install games, with updated configs to match your DOSBOX?
Post edited June 26, 2014 by vulchor
Posted June 26, 2014
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IAmSinistar: So thoughtful of you! Have a +1.

Yes indeed, GOG likes to a fill a drive. :) That's part of the reason why when I recently got a new PC, I made sure I had two internal drives with more than a terabyte each. A 3T external drive is a really sanity saviour as well for me.
3x 2TB here + 120GB SSD I just finished finally downloading all of my Summer Promo score after spending days freeing up space and am now full again. :)

My local GOG backup consists of GOG downloader downloads of the English Windows installer, plus all patches and extras for each game and totals in right now for 303 games at: 429GB Which is not too shabby overall. Much of my space is consumed by other media and data, plus 100+ games that are actually installed which I need to finish and cross off the list and uninstall one of these days ... ;)
Posted June 26, 2014
I stopped buying from steam a while ago. Only games I'd consider buying from them are online games, where you have to be online anyways (CS, L4D, etc...)
If possible, I re-buy games I bought on steam here. I am 100% against DRM in games that dont need internet as a core function. Also, I only buy games digitally that aren't sold on retail or if its a game I dont really care and it is heavily discounted. For example, I never knew anything about the witcher games way back then and when I bought them both, I did it when they were on sale on steam. Liked them so much that it would never cross my mind to buy them digitally, so I pre-ordered the CE on amazon.
I dont need achievements and all the shebang steam offers. All I want is to own my game and have the data available to me, being able to do with it what I want.
Thats why I go GOG all the way now
Post edited June 26, 2014 by Esputi
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