then you looked in the wrong places. I found a lot of interesting places and bits in the game-world. Particularly outside of the 'beaten track'. There where also (in vanilla version) also several 'hidden' quests which you would never find if you did not do a bit of exploring. But I also generally found the environments and vistas very good (I still think it is one of the best realised game-worlds made), and I liked just to wander around looking at the threes and flowers :) Being a miner or herbalist also helped.

Hilarious they did not reply to my post.

Hilarious indeed. Off the top of my head:

- The corruption of Sargeras.
- Orc warlocks (and warlocks in general) accepted in the New Horde.
- Female NE druids.
- Maiev being alive in TBC.
- Blood Elves joining the horde.
- Draenei not being native of Draenor, but dudes who got there in a lolspaceship.
- The Naaru and the Light make as much sense as the midichlorians for the Force.

There's a lot more of course. Shame the old Wowwiki died, it had a really nice list of all retcons.

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i never played WoW, what did I miss? :P

1. Elaborate?
2.Yeah.......I forgot about that.
3. What was the lore reason restricting Female Night Elves to become Druids?
4.OK when was that? And I played Warcraft 3 recently and I did not see any indication of Maive being killed. Infact I remember the mission. All we did was free Illidan and that was the last we saw of Maive.
5.Man that has been THE MOST controversial thing. Ruined the athmosphere of the Horde being strong warrior faction.
6. Again when has that been established? The first time we saw Draenei was in Frozen Throne (Excluding Archrimonde and Kil'Jaedan)
7. I never had a problem with the Naaru. At least it still feels supernatural and Fantasy which the midichlorians removed in Star Wars lore.

1. The Twisting Nether aided by the Old Gods. Countless titans have been corrupted before, nothing to see here.
2. Warlocks lore-wise don't deal with fel magic. So there is no reason why they wouldn't be accepted. Only gameplay purposes.
3. NEs needed to have a look at their society after TFT, and stop their discriminating practices. Males can be sentinels, females can be druids.
4. She never died in TFT, we just freed Illidan.
5. The were betrayed by the Alliance in TFT and beaten heavily by the Scourge in WC3 and vanilla. Also, Sylvanas.
6. Why is that so strange? They are Eredar, the race that travels between worlds. They are the first paladins, they are the Burning Legion itself.
7. It absolutely does make sense, even further supported by WoD and the Shadowmoon Valley storyline, and Ner'Zul's dealings with shadow magic.
No need to exclude them, they are Draenei, or Eredar as they were originally called back on Argus.

Empty pockets. And tears of frustration. Apparently. That's just what I hear. Never touch the stuff myself.

1) In WC3 Sargeras was once a champion of order, justice and blabla, but eventually was corrupted by the demonic Eredar and Nathrezim. It's all in the manual. Lame explanation and extremely overused in already (Medivh, the Orcs, etc) but hey, it was just a backstory for a RTS.
TBC got the whole story backwards. It revealed that the Draenei were originally called Eredar and were not demons, but a noble race who lived in peace on their planet until they were corrupted by the evil dark titan Sargeras (sounds familiar?). A handful of them escaped, crashed on the orc homeworld with a spaceship, and called themselves Draenei.
While Sargeras never really appeared in the games, he's basically the reason behind the wars of WC1-3. He is THE supervillain of Warcraft. It was such a big screwup that Metzen himself posted a public apology. I'm surprised you never heard of that if you're into Warcraft lore.

3) About ten thousand years of traditions, as stated in the WC3 manual. Priesthood was reserved to women and druidism to males. 'Course they had to introduce gender equality the moment they released an MMO.

4) Not in TFT; she was declared dead in the RPG and player guides. Wowwiki cites 3 different sources. Several years later she showed up in TBC alive and (mostly) well.

6) http://us.battle.net/wow/en/game/race/draenei

7) Fair enough, to each their own. Not interested in starting an argument about that. :)


You know I wasn't talking about that. :)

That's a curious statement. What are they then? They aren't elementalists. They don't use divine magic. Tapping into fel magic is what makes them warlocks, it's what sets them apart from the classic arcanists (aka mages). It's stated both in lore and in game. You can even find references in the tooltips:

Patch 4.0.6 (8-Feb-2011): Demon Armor and Fel Armor no longer cost mana and last until canceled. Fel Armor has been redesigned. It now surrounds the caster with fel energy, increasing spell power and causing the warlock to be healed for 3% of any single-target spell damage he or she deals.

I'd really like to know where did you get the idea they don't.


Garithos was an asshole, I'll give you that, but siding with the horde makes no sense. Nevermind that the Orcs happily murdered and raped the elven people in the Second War. Nevermind that the bulk of their forces is stationed in a whole another continent anyway. Let's ally ourselves with the very same undead creatures that annihilated our realm in the Third War. They say they have free will now, what could possibly go wrong!
And Sylvanas is just not herself anymore. For that matter, Vereesa (and Alleria, if she still lives) and the high elves are still with the Alliance.

You missed being shouted at and getting insulted in dungeons by another players.

Try Guild Wars 2. It's buy-to-play and has no gear grind, so there's no need to log in all the time. Getting almost-top-tier gear will happen naturally as you play, and even the middle-tier gear was enough for me to complete the game and participate in open world PvP (arena PvP automatically gears everyone up while they're playing). The only reason to log in regularly is if you like the story instances - everyone gets new areas and bugfixes, but the story instances need to be unlocked for each patch, takes about 1 minute every 2 weeks.

For GW2 players - yes, I played WvW for months with only greens. I didn't do badly either. :D
Try GW2. It's basically an action RPG online.

The lore issue isn't actually as big a deal as people make it out to be. Blizzard basically kills off every major character they don't like and retcons every dead character they do like back to life between installments in their RTS series anyways; they throw out retcons and handwaves like they're going out of style. Warcraft 3 played fast and loose with the lore of its predecessor and paid little heed to its previous characters, backstory, or motivations. Bottom line: Blizzard will write the story for Warcraft 4 when they actually get around to making it, and they'll retcon anything that contradicts the story they want to tell. Anyone they want alive in Warcraft 4 will be alive, anyone they want dead in Warcraft 4 will be dead. Any story element that contradicts the lore they want will be conspicuously forgotten or modified to fit. They've always worked this way, and they always will work this way.

On Warlocks: To me I don't why Warlocks are even accepted in the Alliance let alone the horde. You think the Light Worshipping Humans and Moon Worshipping Night Elves would condemn all Warlocks as evil. At least the Death Knights are established. Same with the Forsaken Undead, just what are they? Are they sentient race
? Are they nearly immortal? Do they procrate Sexually?

2. Personally I rather like the story of the Eredar being a race of virtueous light worshiping people only to be corrupted by this Dark Titan of Evil better than what was origanally conceived. Besides at first Glance the Dreanei's has the appearance of the stereotypical Devil. Horns, Hooves, and serpent tail. And they are the most holy, light loving people than any other race.

Also I do own the Warcraft 3 manual, but its been awhile since I have read it.
From what I have heard Hideo Kojima's MGS 5 will have plot holes and contradictions since he really wants to tell the story he wants to tell.

Thats the problem when handling a LONG storied franchise.

I wonder is the Tolkien Legendarium completely 100% consistant?

No thanks. I have GW1 and still play occasionally, but GW2 is a terrible. They took all the worst and focused on it. Sadly my partner plays it. Ultramega grindfest with stupid underwater bullshit and none of the stuff that made GW1 great.

I meant, player characters lore-wise don't use fel magic. It is just for gameplay purposes that they use fel magic-like spells. This may be silly, but it is true, since the use of fel magic goes against everything that some of the races fought for.

Basically it is like, hey guys, we know you summon demons and can curse people and use shadow magic and transform into demon-like monstrosities, but don't worry, you do not use fel magic for that. Gameplay purposes, they want to keep the class in because it is cool to play.

Warlocks and fel magic have nothing to do with the Light. The Light conflicts with the use of shadow magic. If it is up to the Light, it is shadow magic that they have to stand trial for. It just goes nicely that the two are closely related. But, Shadow Priests also use shadow magic, so they might as well have to be kicked out of the two sides for going against the Light.