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tfishell: Are you now buying on Zoom-Plat instead of GOG?
I'm not buying anything at the moment due to circumstances out of my control, but the answer is essentially yes.

A more 1:1 comparison in recent months was buying games on JAST USA that are also available on GOG (was quite satisfied too at the ease of purchase, download, even a discount system).

You may also be interested that previously I had repurchased a few games on Zoom-Plat despite already owning them on GOG. This is directly because of my point about not trusting GOG to properly handle offline installers.

My approach is to buy on GOG only if it is not available at another DRM-free store ("DRM-free store" as defined by me; excludes Scheme, Epic, Gamersgate, and others that I view as fundamentally "DRMed stores").

Unfortunately, GOG is the only place to buy DRM-free "big releases" like Skyrim for instance. Zoom-Platform has greatly improved their catalog of games, though, so perhaps they will get them someday too.
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tfishell: Are you now buying on Zoom-Plat instead of GOG?
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rjbuffchix: I'm not buying anything at the moment due to circumstances out of my control, but the answer is essentially yes.

A more 1:1 comparison in recent months was buying games on JAST USA that are also available on GOG (was quite satisfied too at the ease of purchase, download, even a discount system).

You may also be interested that previously I had repurchased a few games on Zoom-Plat despite already owning them on GOG. This is directly because of my point about not trusting GOG to properly handle offline installers.

My approach is to buy on GOG only if it is not available at another DRM-free store ("DRM-free store" as defined by me; excludes Scheme, Epic, Gamersgate, and others that I view as fundamentally "DRMed stores").

Unfortunately, GOG is the only place to buy DRM-free "big releases" like Skyrim for instance. Zoom-Platform has greatly improved their catalog of games, though, so perhaps they will get them someday too.
You have to work for Zoom. Your responses are matching previous users who turned out to be either employees of Zoom or heavily associated with them.
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wolfsite: You have to work for Zoom. Your responses are matching previous users who turned out to be either employees of Zoom or heavily associated with them.
I do not, and never have, worked for Zoom-Platform. Feel free to run emoji analysis next.

Your responses any time Zoom-Platform is brought up (it is like a bat-signal for you) are matching extreme paranoia and/or obsession. The bad experience you claim to have had with that store is your valid feeling but nevertheless it does not warrant this weird full-scale investigation complete with, I presume, compiling spreadsheets and cross-checking user names so that you can "warn" any readers of potential bias. This is way beyond the pale.

By the way, there is nothing stopping the neutral people from going over to Zoom-Platform and seeing if it is for them or not, assuming they are not thoughtless automatons. There are plenty of reasons not to purchase games on Zoom-Platform too, depending on what a customer values (someone might not like the catalog, might not like the absence of a forum, might not like the support...ok that last one is doubtful if Zowie the chatbot is the alternative, lol).

But anyway, is it that hard for you to believe the following:
1. Some gamers, including several GOG users, have shared values about DRM-free gaming, wanting games to be preserved, wanting offline installers of games.
2. GOG moved in a direction away from what the above gamers want.
3. The above gamers realized there are other places to purchase DRM-free games.
4. Zoom-Platform, arguably, is the closest DRM-free store to cater to the shared values mentioned above as it is imo similar to the experience once offered by GOG, with many of the same titles as GOG has (contrast other store: Fireflower Games is very tiny, JAST USA and Kagura Games are cool but only sell a relatively narrow range of games, etc).

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tfishell: Are you now buying on Zoom-Plat instead of GOG?
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rjbuffchix: I'm not buying anything at the moment due to circumstances out of my control, but the answer is essentially yes.

A more 1:1 comparison in recent months was buying games on JAST USA that are also available on GOG (was quite satisfied too at the ease of purchase, download, even a discount system).

You may also be interested that previously I had repurchased a few games on Zoom-Plat despite already owning them on GOG. This is directly because of my point about not trusting GOG to properly handle offline installers.

My approach is to buy on GOG only if it is not available at another DRM-free store ("DRM-free store" as defined by me; excludes Scheme, Epic, Gamersgate, and others that I view as fundamentally "DRMed stores").

Unfortunately, GOG is the only place to buy DRM-free "big releases" like Skyrim for instance. Zoom-Platform has greatly improved their catalog of games, though, so perhaps they will get them someday too.
All right, thanks for the info.
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rjbuffchix: Additional consideration (forgive me if someone brought up, didn't read full topic): iirc Zoom-Platform was said to have rare "lifetime" contracts with their games (though I think there are issues with some games that have been temporarily unavailable to purchase), so if that's the case then your game would be accessible for as long as Zoom-Platform continues to exist, whereas GOG has games delisted regularly for various reasons (I know sometimes there is good reason like dev/pub not fixing/updating their game, credit to GOG in those instances; my point is simply that game preservation is arguably better on Zoom-Platform).
You know many ZOOM games have been delisted because publishers leaving or other issues. You're also saying a store that only has hundreds of games is better at preservation than a store with thousands. I am honestly curious to see how ZOOM acts, if they become GOG size. Imo Never fully trust any company to have your best interests
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tfishell: Are you now buying on Zoom-Plat instead of GOG?
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rjbuffchix: I'm not buying anything at the moment due to circumstances out of my control, but the answer is essentially yes.
This explains a lot now. So why are you on GOG if you are buying from ZOOM instead now?
Post edited March 07, 2023 by Syphon72
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wolfsite: You have to work for Zoom. Your responses are matching previous users who turned out to be either employees of Zoom or heavily associated with them.
I don't think rjbuffchix does. I might not agree with him on various things but imo his responses seem more focused on DRM-free in general than pushing Z-P, and he's been complaining about what he considers GOG's direction for some time now, I think even before things like the boycott thread and before Z-P's name circulated much here.
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wolfsite: You have to work for Zoom. Your responses are matching previous users who turned out to be either employees of Zoom or heavily associated with them.
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tfishell: I don't think rjbuffchix does. I might not agree with him on various things but imo his responses seem more focused on DRM-free in general than pushing Z-P, and he's been complaining about what he considers GOG's direction for some time now, I think even before things like the boycott thread and before Z-P's name circulated much here.
I don't think rjbuffchix is ZOOM employee as well.
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tfishell: I don't think rjbuffchix does. I might not agree with him on various things but imo his responses seem more focused on DRM-free in general than pushing Z-P, and he's been complaining about what he considers GOG's direction for some time now, I think even before things like the boycott thread and before Z-P's name circulated much here.
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Syphon72: I don't think rjbuffchix is ZOOM employee as well.
My apologies for jumping the gun, just the way these posts are structured were so similar to certain other people it made me jump to conclusions.
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Syphon72: I don't think rjbuffchix is ZOOM employee as well.
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wolfsite: My apologies for jumping the gun, just the way these posts are structured were so similar to certain other people it made me jump to conclusions.
We all jump the gun on GOG forums. lol
Post edited March 07, 2023 by Syphon72
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Syphon72: You know many ZOOM games have been delisted because publishers leaving or other issues. You're also saying a store that only has hundreds of games is better at preservation than a store with thousands. I am honestly curious to see how ZOOM acts, if they become GOG size. Imo Never fully trust any company to have your best interests
Do you have any examples of games that were fully removed? I am not necessarily denying there are examples; I am actually curious.

Yes, if a smaller store is one with lifetime contracts and their installers don't include unnecessary dependencies that break compatibility, I view that as superior in terms of preservation, if all else is equal.

I would also be curious to see that, though, for what it's worth and as far as I know, Zoom-Platform is not on the stock market like CD Projekt is, so if that remains the same I am more optimistic.

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rjbuffchix: I'm not buying anything at the moment due to circumstances out of my control, but the answer is essentially yes.
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Syphon72: This explains a lot now. So why are you on GOG if you are buying from ZOOM instead now?
Why would buying from Zoom-Platform or anywhere else preclude me from being present on GOG? There is no rule that you must buy from GOG in order to be on their forum. Hypothetically, I feel GOG would even prefer a user that only has the "free" GWENT over a user with a dozen games bought at full price (fortunately, GWENT is one game I think it's safe to say Zoom-Platform wouldn't "poach", zing!).

But anyway, I would say it's because I have time/money that's been invested in GOG over the years. There are still some (albeit not enough) users with shared values to mine here. I also like being on a forum (contrast Zoom-Platform only having Discord, to my knowledge). Additionally, I have what you could call a "soft spot" or "nostalgia" or something similar for this place as it brought me back to PC gaming after nearly a decade and a half.

But, as tfishell suggested, please don't think I am a flag-waving fanboy for this store or any other. My attachment is to DRM-free gaming (as I define it), not to GOG, not to Zoom-Platform either. Zoom-Platform happens to be doing a better job at DRM-free currently imo, but all these stores are really just a means to an end. Btw, some of my favorite purchase experiences have been buying directly from developers, rather than on any "store proper."
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rjbuffchix: Do you have any examples of games that were fully removed? I am not necessarily denying there are examples; I am actually curious.
I wrote it earlier. ZP lost several licences of games that are still sold here. A Boy and His Blob, Advent Rising, Alien Trilogy, BloodRayne, BloodRayne 2, BloodRayne: Betrayal and Killing Time. Throwback Entertainment and Ziggurat Interactive seem to have problems with ZP. EA games wants to remove their games too.
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rjbuffchix: Do you have any examples of games that were fully removed? I am not necessarily denying there are examples; I am actually curious.
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foad01: I wrote it earlier. ZP lost several licences of games that are still sold here. A Boy and His Blob, Advent Rising, Alien Trilogy, BloodRayne, BloodRayne 2, BloodRayne: Betrayal and Killing Time. Throwback Entertainment and Ziggurat Interactive seem to have problems with ZP. EA games wants to remove their games too.
They lost Judge Dredd (1995) recently. Thank you for answering his question.
Post edited March 07, 2023 by Syphon72
Steam also lost Judge Dredd at the same time.
Thanks for the answers! I was aware of some of them like Alien Trilogy and Bloodrayne but the last I knew, they were "up" on the store, just "greyed out" so to speak as Temporarily Unavailable or whatever the phrasing (this may have all changed in some way, as I have not looked up their specific store pages recently).

While that may seem like a distinction without a difference to some, I feel there is a difference between that and the game being entirely wiped from the store pages, since there is more hope it might eventually return rather than the knowledge it is off the store entirely.
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DoomSooth: Steam also lost Judge Dredd at the same time.
That sucks. Is the PC version of Judge Dredd worth it? ZOOM version of Alien Trilogy is horrible and almost unplayable. Better off emulating the game. Dos box issue I guess.
Post edited March 07, 2023 by Syphon72