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Posted March 11, 2023
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Syphon72: I'm just curious did you defend GOG on forums or ZP Discord when ZP falsely accused GOG of undercutting them? I actually never seen you defend GOG, just post bad remarks about them.

Not sure about the fake convo. But a ZP Discord mode that was also OP of boycott thread, would promote ZP any chance he had on GOG forums..
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DoomSooth: I've defending GOG on Steam, mainly, but also on Zoom's Discord server. On Steam, when I ask about a DRM-free release at GOG, people usually assume I'm a pirate. I've also defended it on other Discord servers when they tell me to just buy the game(s) in question when they're on sale at Steam instead of pirating them. If people knew how many games I've bought here and from Zoom, they wouldn't call me a pirate. In case you hadn't noticed, I also was against the boycott here. I still am. To me, DRM-free and offline installers are all that matter. I don't need to have everything at one store. I've also mentioned Fireflower, GameFools, Itch, and other places. Am I guilty of promoting DRM-free? I guess you could say so.
I don't really go on Steam forums or hang around them much. So can't comment on that. If you do, keep up the DRM-free fight, bother!! But you did not really answer the first part of my question. People probably think I only say bad things about ZP, which is not valid.

I don't think ZP would go so low on Poaching games from another store. I wonder why OP would even believe that was happing. Also, I have complemented ZP on doing an excellent job on some releases like flatout ultimate carnage and Grid racing which I have from ZP.
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P-E-S: I'm surprised this shit show sandwich has been allowed to go on.
The last one never got closed.
Post edited March 11, 2023 by Syphon72
Posted March 11, 2023
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foad01: The Zoom Platform is a small irrelevant store. There was a Postal game removed from Steam and everyone celebrated that the game isn't available anymore. Guess where you still can buy this Postal game. Nobody took them serious about it. LOL.
I never celebrated its removal, but it was removed due to Online DRM no longer working, thus making it unplayable, even for people who purchased it previously.

It's good that it's been preserved DRM-Free on Zoom. It was one of the first games I bought there. Yes yes, it's so popular to trash that game, yet look at 4. It's also an unfinished bug-ridden mess. RWS captured lightning in a bottle once with 2 and then they, and their fans, got very snobby.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I know Zoom Platform is a very touchy subject around here.

But this issue needs to be discussed.

It seems that Zoom Platform is now poaching GOG games?

For example, the game "A Vampyre Story" used to be listed on GOG, but then it became delisted, and now it is listed as a "Zoom Platform exclusive."

So this seems to be at least one example of Zoom Platform having poached a GOG game.

Are there more too?

This situation is very bad for consumers and an example of things getting way out of hand in regards to Zoom Platform's hatred of GOG and/or vice versa.

What do you think about the concept of Zoom Platform poaching GOG games?
There are far more examples of the opposite lol.
Everything by Ziggurat got removed from Zoom and Published by GOG. Overlord 1 & 2 were on GOG way before they arrived at GOG, but thankfully, they're still on Zoom as well.
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M3troid: Personally, i thiks it's great that are other DRM-free store, with games that are not here anymore, like Duke Nukem.
THIS!

I use both stores and I find this bickering between the two ridiculous. We need as many DRM-Free stores out there as possible. Steam, Epic, Ubisoft Connect, EA Desktop, Battle.net, etc. are the enemy, not GOG, nor Zoom, nor Itch,io for that matter.
Post edited March 11, 2023 by SargonAelther
Posted March 11, 2023
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foad01: snip
Even if at the risk of biting the bait of someone I see almost solely causing trouble here in the forum (this isn't the first time we interact, btw, and again in not felicitous circumstances), but since I see that I was mentioned, I think it's worth addressing:
I don't comment on things unless I think it's worth commenting on. And with GOG escalating anti-consumer moves as they were doing in that past year from the date of that comment, I found it worth adding to the convo you linked.
But I invite you to go to the GOG Café and ZP Discord groups (provided you don't cause trouble there again), look for my comments there and see how many times I'd been critical or even coarse/aggressive towards the behavior of each stores in the opposing group, versus how many times I'd simply been informative about either.
And since you may see me appearing a lot in ZP's request channel, I also invite you to look at how many entries I added to the community wishlist here at GOG (which reminds me I should add a few more to the community wishlist).
And I also invite you to find how many times I'd been a chill for other stores here at the forum, versus, again, how many times I'd simply been informative.
Posted March 12, 2023
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foad01: snip
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_Auster_: Even if at the risk of biting the bait of someone I see almost solely causing trouble here in the forum (this isn't the first time we interact, btw, and again in not felicitous circumstances), but since I see that I was mentioned, I think it's worth addressing:
I don't comment on things unless I think it's worth commenting on. And with GOG escalating anti-consumer moves as they were doing in that past year from the date of that comment, I found it worth adding to the convo you linked.
But I invite you to go to the GOG Café and ZP Discord groups (provided you don't cause trouble there again), look for my comments there and see how many times I'd been critical or even coarse/aggressive towards the behavior of each stores in the opposing group, versus how many times I'd simply been informative about either.
And since you may see me appearing a lot in ZP's request channel, I also invite you to look at how many entries I added to the community wishlist here at GOG (which reminds me I should add a few more to the community wishlist).
And I also invite you to find how many times I'd been a chill for other stores here at the forum, versus, again, how many times I'd simply been informative.
I'm positive you are ZP discord mod as well, that said he dose not buy from GOG anymore or like them on ZP discord. i seen you post lot negative things about GOG on ZP discord.

Your saying one thing GOG forms and different thing on ZP discord.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by Syphon72
Posted March 12, 2023
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Syphon72: I'm positive you are ZP discord mode as well, that said he dose not but from GOG anymore or like them on ZP discord.
Yes, I am a volunteer moderator there, and no, it adds nothing to which one I'm defending more.
Actually, it does add, in GOG's favor. You see, if I spot a conversation turning into "store wars" (making an analogy/wordplay to "console wars"), if I don't think the heated discussion will die as easily, I try to steer the conversation to another topic.
But as this thread seems to be going a lot into the "pointing fingers" territory, and I already addressed the direct and indirect attacks to my reputation, I don't think there's anything else to say.
Posted March 12, 2023
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Syphon72: I'm positive you are ZP discord mode as well, that said he dose not but from GOG anymore or like them on ZP discord.
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_Auster_: Yes, I am a volunteer moderator there, and no, it adds nothing to which one I'm defending more.
Actually, it does add, in GOG's favor. You see, if I spot a conversation turning into "store wars" (making an analogy/wordplay to "console wars"), if I don't think the heated discussion will die as easily, I try to steer the conversation to another topic.
But as this thread seems to be going a lot into the "pointing fingers" territory, and I already addressed the direct and indirect attacks to my reputation, I don't think there's anything else to say.
I was just pointing out that you openly disliked GOG on ZP discord and would not like to buy from them anymore. Which is cool because that's your choice, and I support it. In my opinion, it's not a good idea to come on GOG forums saying you are not biased but is a mod for ZP and bashes GOG a lot on their discord.

Honestly, this thread should be closed, but GOG mods seem to be doing a shitty job. lol I'm just here to past time.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by Syphon72
Posted March 12, 2023
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_Auster_: But I invite you to go to the GOG Café and ZP Discord groups (provided you don't cause trouble there again),
No thanks. What you wrote in brackets is enough to not do it.

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_Auster_: Yes, I am a volunteer moderator there, and no, it adds nothing to which one I'm defending more.
As a moderator for their community you are associated with this store. You are not neutral anymore.

There wouldn't be a "store wars" if the situation with ZP would be similar to Fireflower Games. You don't see people associated with Fireflower Games hanging around here and pointing out that certain games on GOG have also been released there or are hijacking threads like the example from above. What you wrote as "store wars" is part of ZP's anti-GOG marketing which also targets frustrated GOG users.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by foad01
Posted March 12, 2023
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foad01: There wouldn't be a "store wars" if the situation with ZP would be similar to Fireflower Games. You don't see people associated with Fireflower Games hanging around here and pointing out that certain games on GOG have also been released there or are hijacking threads like the example from above. What you wrote as "store wars" is part of ZP's anti-GOG marketing which also targets frustrated GOG users.
Fireflower has some games that GOG and Zoom don't have. I bought 'em. They must have been poached. Am I anti-Zoom, now?

Bought some games from GameFools that GOG, Zoom, and Fireflower don't have. Am I anti-Fireflower?

In case anyone's wondering, Fireflower has Gold Rush, an anniversary edition, and Gold Rush II.

GameFools has Defernder of the Crown: Heroes Live Forever, and IREM Arcade Hits. GameFools installers force installation to C: but you can move the files somewhere else after it's done. Also, be careful to uncheck the subscription thing that GameFools tries to sneak by you at checkout.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by DoomSooth
Posted March 12, 2023
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foad01: There wouldn't be a "store wars" if the situation with ZP would be similar to Fireflower Games. You don't see people associated with Fireflower Games hanging around here and pointing out that certain games on GOG have also been released there or are hijacking threads like the example from above. What you wrote as "store wars" is part of ZP's anti-GOG marketing which also targets frustrated GOG users.
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DoomSooth: Fireflower has some games that GOG and Zoom don't have. I bought 'em. They must have been poached. Am I anti-Zoom, now?

Bought some games from GameFools that GOG, Zoom, and Fireflower don't have. Am I anti-Fireflower?
A bunch of leading questions which ignore the problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post edited March 12, 2023 by foad01
Posted March 12, 2023
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foad01: A bunch of leading question which ignore the problem. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
While a Vampyre Story may have been poached, I will not presume to have enough inside information to claim either way, there are other titles that have went from Zoom to GOG, such as those published by Ziggurat.

I still fail to see the relevance. Both are DRM-Free store-fronts. When Steam fans bicker with Epic fans, at least it makes some sense. There's an ideological difference between having all of your eggs in one basket for convenience and it being the best DRMd platform for consumers; versus the safety of NOT keeping all your eggs within one bucket, 'cause that's mad everywhere outside of gaming, and it being the best DRMd platform for developers.

GOG vs Zoom though, both are DRM-Free. That's the whole selling point of both stores. The "launcher" for your games should be the Start Menu, or Taskbar, or whatever. Who cares about where those DRM-Free games were bought from? It has no bearing on your ability to play those games, other than perhaps if you care about achievements or cloud saves.

This whole thread is pointless. Unlike in Steam vs Epic squabbles, it really doesn't matter where DRM-Free games are bought from, as long as they are still sold DRM-Free. A Vampyre Story never had any GOG achievements either...

Did GamesPlanet poach The Sinking City from GOG? I have no idea, but I'm glad it's available DRM-Free anywhere at all.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by SargonAelther
Posted March 12, 2023
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SargonAelther: Unlike in Steam vs Epic squabbles, it really doesn't matter where a DRM-Free game is bought from, as long as they are still sold DRM-Free.
Theoretically yes, but it is ZP with their anti-GOG marketing and all negative side effects.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by foad01
Posted March 12, 2023
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SargonAelther: Unlike in Steam vs Epic squabbles, it really doesn't matter where a DRM-Free game is bought from, as long as they are still sold DRM-Free.
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foad01: Theoretically yes, but it is ZP with their anti-GOG marketing and all negative side effects.
Which one?
That not make then shady or no right to exist. Like you try to say with your "fakes" nonsense.
There is no anti-GOG policy there. There is rules on discord channel after you can mention GOG there. You cant start such topics there. Because it leads to floody lies nonsense and ZP-GOG holy war.

You try to refer to recent public statement. Even that one where GOG appear on official pages are not anti-GOG. That one statement partially about anti-poached. Because ZOOM have right to call few releases poached (not GOG). But Zoom instead lead to explanation why they increase prices. You see just parts of that statement.

Zoom's anti GOG is remove ZOOM from GOG web sources. Not remove GOG. I return to my question - which one side effect you say about? If there is no "1" there is only "0". Yes or no. Black or white. Truth or Lie. Your bad side effect should be real and really bad and not another assumption of fake conversations. Or it be just Lie.
Posted March 12, 2023
One of the effects is this never ending circling discussion about Zoom. They don't do anything "there", because they have no forum at all. They come "here" (and to other places).

If you want to know why these threads get locked: Complaining about another store is one thing, but promoting them is not accepted.

Really ... just stop it already, would ya? No one here is getting anywhere, it just goes round and round and round and round ...

So please, let's just let our Zoom crusader have the last word, let him give it to us (or rub in our face or whatever) and let's be done with it.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by neumi5694
Posted March 12, 2023
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neumi5694: One of the effects is this never ending circling discussion about Zoom. They don't do anything "there", because they have no forum at all. They come "here" (and to other places).

If you want to know why these threads get locked: Complaining about another store is one thing, but promoting them is not accepted.

Really ... just stop it already, would ya? No one here is getting anywhere, it just goes round and round and round and round ...

So please, let's just let our Zoom crusader have the last word, let him give it to us (or rub in our face or whatever) and let's be done with it.
I, personally, see no issue with people discussing zoom here. They have some exclusive DRM-Free games, that people may not be aware of. I would not be aware of Zoom myself, if not for such discussions. I desperately wanted Knights of The Temple games DRM-Free on GOG, but then lo and behold, Zoom actually has them both. If GOG had them, I would have bought them here probably. Zoom did not poach a sale of KoTT, since they were never on sale on GOG. They are welcome to contact the publisher and publish those games here. We have Enclave after all...

At the same time several people, including myself, spam Steam forum with GOG requests, so GOG benefits from "crusaders" too. I'm sure Valve would rather we did not, but they don't seem to care and that's a good thing. Most of the time, we just get accused of wanting easy piracy by Steam users lol, but sometimes it actually works out. So we will continue spamming Steam forums and Developer discords, asking for DRM-Free releases, because all DRM-Free fans benefit from, that.
Post edited March 12, 2023 by SargonAelther
Posted March 12, 2023
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foad01: Theoretically yes, but it is ZP with their anti-GOG marketing and all negative side effects.
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QWEEDDYZ: [...]
What lies? LOL.

I gave you one concrete example which can be read on ZP's own website. People from ZP's discord channel (users or employees) have used the same wording of the promotional text to spam in this forum. Their Twitter page speaks for itself. They are very open about their anti-GOG stance.

Maybe you shouldn't believe all the sweet marketing stories they tell you on their Discord channel. Maybe you want to hear these stories and it similar to this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0

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SargonAelther: At the same time several people, including myself, spam Steam forum with GOG requests, so GOG benefits from "crusaders" too. I'm sure Valve would rather we did not, but they don't seem to care and that's a good thing. Most of the time, we just get accused of wanting easy piracy by Steam users lol, but sometimes it actually works out. So we will continue spamming Steam forums and Developer discords, asking for DRM-Free releases, because all DRM-Free fans benefit from, that.
The example with the Selaco developers shows that is not always a smart idea to raid and spam social media channels of developers.
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