Posted March 08, 2023
foad01
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Posted March 08, 2023
rjbuffchix: Why did Zoom-Platform release a game (or games, plural, not sure) on Steam?
I'll be honest, since learning this it has kind of shaken my confidence in Zoom-Platform as a DRM-free platform. Reason being, why would a store that seems to be so vigorously in favor of DRM-free gaming release on the monopsony store that enshrined DRM upon gaming?
I was unaware they'd actually released a game. Is it DRM-free on Steam? I'll be honest, since learning this it has kind of shaken my confidence in Zoom-Platform as a DRM-free platform. Reason being, why would a store that seems to be so vigorously in favor of DRM-free gaming release on the monopsony store that enshrined DRM upon gaming?
But as for Steam...
... if you want to make money quickly...
... you have to go where the money is.
That's Steam ATM.
Otherwise it would be releasing a game that no one wanted (or knew to want) on a store that no one had heard about.
I'm sure ZOOM PLATFORM is looking to grow a reputation / share and then ultimately start releasing exclusives on their own store.
I'm continually amazed at how these devs / stores think they can build an audience for a store based on future games. Valve and Epic both came about the other way around -- through wildly popular games and engines that allowed them to create stores and throw around money. Basing store survival on sheer ego and ambition is gutsy, but...
... not the most stable of business plans.
Syphon72
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Posted March 08, 2023
Syphon72: Bingo! They openly admit it was for money. You can take it as good or bad thing. What else will they do to get more money? Haha jk
foad01: There are certain people who started or signed a boycott where GOG is supposed to stop selling games on Epic Games store with Galaxy. They used ZP as a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. And now this is totally fine. Isn't it ironic? LOL. Post edited March 08, 2023 by Syphon72
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Posted March 08, 2023
foad01: There are certain people who started or signed a boycott where GOG is supposed to stop selling games on Epic Games store with Galaxy. They used ZP as a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. And now this is totally fine. Isn't it ironic? LOL.
Syphon72: Maybe that's why ZOOM doesn't have forums. There afride a boycott thread will pop up. Haha. Sounds like double standards. But yes! The stellar 100%-free DRM store is trying to make money. Everything is fine.
Post edited March 08, 2023 by foad01
DoomSooth
People that lie about Zoom Platform can FOAD.
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Posted March 08, 2023
GOG doesn't need much in the way of messageboards. Look at what people use them for.
rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
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Posted March 08, 2023
foad01: Acting as publisher and selling a licensed game on Steam is on step further than selling games of the Epic Games Store with Galaxy.
GOG selling DRMed Epic games on Galaxy is worse than either Zoom-Plat or CDPR selling on Scheme, because Galaxy is part of the GOG store and associated branding wise with GOG. Thus, selling DRMed games on Galaxy (even if it is through "the new app" or whatever bs phrasing they tried to excuse it with) is "GOG selling DRMed games". Btw I am with you in that I find "money" to be a lacking reason for Zoom-Plat to put a game on a DRMed store. Obviously they stand to make money by doing so. I am not part of the company though so I don't really care, and want what's best for the customer (i.e. pure DRM-free gaming and no concessions made to the larger DRMed gaming world).
Zoom-Plat as in just the store is still a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. However, re: releasing a game on Scheme, I can't speak for others, but I do not find this to be totally fine as it causes me to doubt how committed they really are to DRM-free gaming. Regardless, there are still other stellar examples of 100% DRM-free stores, like JAST USA, so don't think us boycotters will all come groveling back to GOG's arms just yet :)
Post edited March 08, 2023 by rjbuffchix
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Posted March 08, 2023
You do know that your assumption doesn't make any sense, right? While gog is small compared to others, Zoom is even smaller. Why migrate to a smaller target audience?
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Posted March 08, 2023
Zoom needs to provide a unique selling proposition that trumps that of GOG's like better running games and games that are not available on gog or anywhere else for that matter.
DoomSooth
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Posted March 09, 2023
rjbuffchix: Zoom-Plat as in just the store is still a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. However, re: releasing a game on Scheme, I can't speak for others, but I do not find this to be totally fine as it causes me to doubt how committed they really are to DRM-free gaming. Regardless, there are still other stellar examples of 100% DRM-free stores, like JAST USA, so don't think us boycotters will all come groveling back to GOG's arms just yet :)
You are aware that JAST USA is a publisher on Steam, right?Syphon72
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Syphon72 Sorry, data for given user is currently unavailable. Please, try again later. View profile View wishlist Start conversation Invite to friends Invite to friends Accept invitation Accept invitation Pending invitation... Unblock chat Registered: Sep 2011
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Posted March 09, 2023
Slick_JMista: Zoom needs to provide a unique selling proposition that trumps that of GOG's like better running games and games that are not available on gog or anywhere else for that matter.
DoomSooth: It already has that. In fact, GOG liked Zoom's version of Killing Time so much that GOG now sells it. Before Zoom got it to work, GOG said it was impossible. There are some others they said the same about that Zoom now sells. A few other games I tested with GOG and ZOOM were the same. They did do a better job on incoming force.
Does he show proof of GOG saying this? I have never seen actual evidence, just his word.
Post edited March 09, 2023 by Syphon72
rjbuffchix
Online/Galaxy required = DRM.
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Posted March 09, 2023
rjbuffchix: Zoom-Plat as in just the store is still a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. However, re: releasing a game on Scheme, I can't speak for others, but I do not find this to be totally fine as it causes me to doubt how committed they really are to DRM-free gaming. Regardless, there are still other stellar examples of 100% DRM-free stores, like JAST USA, so don't think us boycotters will all come groveling back to GOG's arms just yet :)
PixelBoy: You are aware that JAST USA is a publisher on Steam, right? The distinction is that the Z-P and JAST stores themselves contain no games with DRM or DRM-like methods (to my knowledge anyway) though on the larger subject of "furthering the cause of DRM-free gaming" I think it is counterproductive to release on a fundamentally DRMed platform.
Slick_JMista: Zoom needs to provide a unique selling proposition that trumps that of GOG's like better running games and games that are not available on gog or anywhere else for that matter.
Mileage may vary but their "About Us" page suggests some unique points that I haven't seen on other DRM-free stores; namely, Gen X appeal and connections to the entertainment industry. For me, the lack of an "optional" client that the company seems to pour every resource they have into at the expense of the actual DRM-free offline installers, is good enough :)
Post edited March 09, 2023 by rjbuffchix
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Posted March 09, 2023
foad01: Acting as publisher and selling a licensed game on Steam is on step further than selling games of the Epic Games Store with Galaxy.
rjbuffchix: GOG selling DRMed Epic games on Galaxy is worse than either Zoom-Plat or CDPR selling on Scheme, because Galaxy is part of the GOG store and associated branding wise with GOG. Thus, selling DRMed games on Galaxy (even if it is through "the new app" or whatever bs phrasing they tried to excuse it with) is "GOG selling DRMed games". Btw I am with you in that I find "money" to be a lacking reason for Zoom-Plat to put a game on a DRMed store. Obviously they stand to make money by doing so. I am not part of the company though so I don't really care, and want what's best for the customer (i.e. pure DRM-free gaming and no concessions made to the larger DRMed gaming world).
foad01: There are certain people who started or signed a boycott where GOG is supposed to stop selling games on Epic Games store with Galaxy. They used ZP as a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. And now this is totally fine. Isn't it ironic? LOL.
rjbuffchix: Zoom-Plat as in just the store is still a stellar example of a 100% DRM-free store. However, re: releasing a game on Scheme, I can't speak for others, but I do not find this to be totally fine as it causes me to doubt how committed they really are to DRM-free gaming. Regardless, there are still other stellar examples of 100% DRM-free stores, like JAST USA, so don't think us boycotters will all come groveling back to GOG's arms just yet :) Post edited March 09, 2023 by LU2004
Syphon72
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Posted March 09, 2023
rjbuffchix: Yes (on GOG too for that matter), I may not have been clear enough in my comment but I view both Zoom-Plat and JAST USA as great examples of 100% DRM-free stores (unlike how I view GOG). However, I do not like any of these companies' action of releasing games on Scheme, but that is separate from the store experience.
The distinction is that the Z-P and JAST stores themselves contain no games with DRM or DRM-like methods (to my knowledge anyway) though on the larger subject of "furthering the cause of DRM-free gaming" I think it is counterproductive to release on a fundamentally DRMed platform.
For me, the lack of an "optional" client that the company seems to pour every resource they have into at the expense of the actual DRM-free offline installers, is good enough :)
ZOOM is making a client for downloading and updating games. Which funny because the Twitter manager said they have no plans for a client launcher, but the CEO said they do.The distinction is that the Z-P and JAST stores themselves contain no games with DRM or DRM-like methods (to my knowledge anyway) though on the larger subject of "furthering the cause of DRM-free gaming" I think it is counterproductive to release on a fundamentally DRMed platform.
Slick_JMista: Zoom needs to provide a unique selling proposition that trumps that of GOG's like better running games and games that are not available on gog or anywhere else for that matter.
rjbuffchix: Mileage may vary but their "About Us" page suggests some unique points that I haven't seen on other DRM-free stores; namely, Gen X appeal and connections to the entertainment industry. For me, the lack of an "optional" client that the company seems to pour every resource they have into at the expense of the actual DRM-free offline installers, is good enough :)
Post edited March 09, 2023 by Syphon72
DoomSooth
People that lie about Zoom Platform can FOAD.
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Posted March 09, 2023
What multiplayer games require a key? I have half of their multiplayer games and haven't seen a key yet.