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Time4Tea: I addressed all of your points, but it seems we have a fundamental difference of opinion. I respect that Jordan communicates openly and speaks his mind, at the risk of possibly upsetting some people. It seems that you don't - you are upset because he's said some things that you don't like. I personally love Zoom's open communication and would hate to see Jordan become silent and reticent (the way GOG's execs are), through fear that he might offend someone. I truly hope he doesn't change.

Again, it seems to come down to a difference of opinion and I'm not sure what more there is to say beyond that. I'm fine with accepting you have a different opinion to me, but is the opposite true for you? From your last couple of posts, it seems maybe not ... ?
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RoboPond: How have you addressed all my points?

You've said that Jordan speaks openly and his mind.

I've said i'm not even talking about him at the moment, i've not seen him post much.

What I am talking about is you and other Zoom members openly posting negative things about another company in public and then allowing singling out GOG members by usernames on a platform or a channel that most will not know about.

How are you not seeing that its wrong? How are you not seeing the double standard that its fine for you do make comments about GOG there but when the same comments get made about Zoom here you call it bad?

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and then allowing singling out GOG members by usernames on a platform or a channel that most will not know about.
Who's getting singling out? Did Time4tea do it?
Post edited September 02, 2022 by Syphon72
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Time4Tea: I guess the best answer I can give to you to all this is that I am in favor of freedom of speech and open discussion.

If Jordan or users on the Zoom Discord don't like GOG for whatever reason, that's fine, let them speak their mind and say so. If people want to speak up on the Zoom Discord to defend GOG - fine. Let them do it, let's have a debate. If people want to post negative things about Zoom on the GOG forum, ok fine. (of course, within reason and as long as the respective CoCs are being respected).

But then, by the same logic, I and others also have the right to speak up on the GOG forum to defend Zoom, if we so choose. As long as I am observing the forum CoC, I am free to speak my mind, to defend Zoom, to criticize GOG, if I want to, and I intend to exercise that right . And you are perfectly entitled to disagree with it. People have differences of opinion, it happens.

If Jordan says he doesn't like GOG for whatever reason, so what? If that's his opinion then let him say it. If you and others don't like it, don't want to shop at Zoom because of it: fine. Don't shop at Zoom then. That's your choice. It's good that we are all living in the free world and can do what we like, isn't it?

As for the thing about Zoom users talking about GOG users by name. Again, the above applies. So what? Why does it offend you so much? People talk about people. It's what people do - it's normal.

Please let me know if there are any points of yours that I haven't addressed.
The thing is its being done publicly having worked in a shop private discussions about a store or customers are done, and thats generally accepted and most likey done by GOG.

What GOG don't do and not accepeted in retail at all is talking about other stores or customers publicly. Theres a massive difference.

And it is my choice to not like Zoom yes, but I don't want me mentioned on Zoom's discord that I dislike Zoom. I don't use Discord and people on Discord saying ohh did you see RoboPond said this on this thread etc I don't want. How are you not seeing this?

So me saying on GOG's Fictional Discord, Time4Tea is a Zoom shrill and will say things to defend Zoom to know and and will just come up with some lame ass joke to pass the buck off is fine if you where not a member there?

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Syphon72: Who's getting singling out? Did Time4tea do it?
No it was a user that is also a user here on GOG. But it should of been removed by an admin or moderator and Tea is a moderator, and is one of the Zoom people known here.
Post edited September 02, 2022 by RoboPond
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Time4Tea: I guess the best answer I can give to you to all this is that I am in favor of freedom of speech and open discussion.

If Jordan or users on the Zoom Discord don't like GOG for whatever reason, that's fine, let them speak their mind and say so. If people want to speak up on the Zoom Discord to defend GOG - fine. Let them do it, let's have a debate. If people want to post negative things about Zoom on the GOG forum, ok fine. (of course, within reason and as long as the respective CoCs are being respected).

But then, by the same logic, I and others also have the right to speak up on the GOG forum to defend Zoom, if we so choose. As long as I am observing the forum CoC, I am free to speak my mind, to defend Zoom, to criticize GOG, if I want to, and I intend to exercise that right . And you are perfectly entitled to disagree with it. People have differences of opinion, it happens.

If Jordan says he doesn't like GOG for whatever reason, so what? If that's his opinion then let him say it. If you and others don't like it, don't want to shop at Zoom because of it: fine. Don't shop at Zoom then. That's your choice. It's good that we are all living in the free world and can do what we like, isn't it?

As for the thing about Zoom users talking about GOG users by name. Again, the above applies. So what? Why does it offend you so much? People talk about people. It's what people do - it's normal.

Please let me know if there are any points of yours that I haven't addressed.
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RoboPond: The thing is its being done publicly having worked in a shop private discussions about a store or customers are done, and thats generally accepted and most likey done by GOG.

What GOG don't do and not accepeted in retail at all is talking about other stores or customers publicly. Theres a massive difference.

And it is my choice to not like Zoom yes, but I don't want me mentioned on Zoom's discord that I dislike Zoom. I don't use Discord and people on Discord saying ohh did you see RoboPond said this on this thread etc I don't want. How are you not seeing this?

So me saying on GOG's Fictional Discord, Time4Tea is a Zoom shrill and will say things to defend Zoom to know and and will just come up with some lame ass joke to pass the buck off is fine if you where not a member there?

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Syphon72: Who's getting singling out? Did Time4tea do it?
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RoboPond: No it was a user that is also a user here on GOG. But it should of been removed by an admin or moderator and Tea is a moderator, and is one of the Zoom people known here.
I look on the discord, Time4tea won't do anything because the CEO promotes this kind of behavior. Funny, I see someone that has been writing wall of text here defending ZOOM now on their discord. Lol
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RoboPond: The thing is its being done publicly having worked in a shop private discussions about a store or customers are done, and thats generally accepted and most likey done by GOG.

What GOG don't do and not accepeted in retail at all is talking about other stores or customers publicly. Theres a massive difference.
It doesn't matter. Freedom of speech extends to public speech. At least where I live (US), it is absolutely permitted for me to take to a public stage and talk about someone else. Politicians talk about their political opponents frequently. People talk about other people on TV chat shows, in gossip mags. Comedians frequently mock politicians, other celebrities, etc.

Again: this is considered normal and acceptable behavior in free society. As long as it doesn't enter into slander (i.e. making false accusations that can be damaging), which is a crime and can be punished (frankly, some of the accusations of Zoom being 'paid piracy' were sailing close to that line).

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RoboPond: And it is my choice to not like Zoom yes, but I don't want me mentioned on Zoom's discord that I dislike Zoom. I don't use Discord and people on Discord saying ohh did you see RoboPond said this on this thread etc I don't want.
Well that's too bad, bud. In a free society, you don't get to control who can talk about you and how, in public or otherwise, since that would be violating their right to free speech.

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RoboPond: How are you not seeing this?
I am seeing that you don't like it and I understand you point. However, I am making some counterpoints regarding aspects of free speech, which you seem to be missing.

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RoboPond: So me saying on GOG's Fictional Discord, Time4Tea is a Zoom shrill and will say things to defend Zoom to know and and will just come up with some lame ass joke to pass the buck off is fine if you where not a member there?
I'm fine with other people talking about me, I don't have a problem with it. If I hear someone saying something I think is untrue, then I will step in and do my best to correct them. As for whether it's ok to call me a 'shill' depends on GOG's CoC and whether they have a rule against name-calling. Bear in mind that the rules for Zoom's Discord are not necessarily the same (and there is no reason they have to be).

But then, if people are allowed to call me a shill on here, then by the same set of rules, it must be permitted for me to label them as fanboys ;-)
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RoboPond: The thing is its being done publicly having worked in a shop private discussions about a store or customers are done, and thats generally accepted and most likey done by GOG.

What GOG don't do and not accepeted in retail at all is talking about other stores or customers publicly. Theres a massive difference.
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Time4Tea: It doesn't matter. Freedom of speech extends to public speech. At least where I live (US), it is absolutely permitted for me to take to a public stage and talk about someone else. Politicians talk about their political opponents frequently. People talk about other people on TV chat shows, in gossip mags. Comedians frequently mock politicians, other celebrities, etc.

Again: this is considered normal and acceptable behavior in free society. As long as it doesn't enter into slander (i.e. making false accusations that can be damaging), which is a crime and can be punished (frankly, some of the accusations of Zoom being 'paid piracy' were sailing close to that line).

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RoboPond: And it is my choice to not like Zoom yes, but I don't want me mentioned on Zoom's discord that I dislike Zoom. I don't use Discord and people on Discord saying ohh did you see RoboPond said this on this thread etc I don't want.
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Time4Tea: Well that's too bad, bud. In a free society, you don't get to control who can talk about you and how, in public or otherwise, since that would be violating their right to free speech.

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RoboPond: How are you not seeing this?
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Time4Tea: I am seeing that you don't like it and I understand you point. However, I am making some counterpoints regarding aspects of free speech, which you seem to be missing.

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RoboPond: So me saying on GOG's Fictional Discord, Time4Tea is a Zoom shrill and will say things to defend Zoom to know and and will just come up with some lame ass joke to pass the buck off is fine if you where not a member there?
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Time4Tea: I'm fine with other people talking about me, I don't have a problem with it. If I hear someone saying something I think is untrue, then I will step in and do my best to correct them. As for whether it's ok to call me a 'shill' depends on GOG's CoC and whether they have a rule against name-calling. Bear in mind that the rules for Zoom's Discord are not necessarily the same (and there is no reason they have to be).

But then, if people are allowed to call me a shill on here, then by the same set of rules, it must be permitted for me to label them as fanboys ;-)
You are the Definition of a shill.

Definition:
a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.

You been doing everything described in the definition for sometime. I like GOG but I never go on steam, ZOOM or message boreds promoting GOG.
Post edited September 02, 2022 by Syphon72
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RoboPond: The thing is its being done publicly having worked in a shop private discussions about a store or customers are done, and thats generally accepted and most likey done by GOG.

What GOG don't do and not accepeted in retail at all is talking about other stores or customers publicly. Theres a massive difference.
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Time4Tea: It doesn't matter. Freedom of speech extends to public speech. At least where I live (US), it is absolutely permitted for me to take to a public stage and talk about someone else. Politicians talk about their political opponents frequently. People talk about other people on TV chat shows, in gossip mags. Comedians frequently mock politicians, other celebrities, etc.

Again: this is considered normal and acceptable behavior in free society. As long as it doesn't enter into slander (i.e. making false accusations that can be damaging), which is a crime and can be punished (frankly, some of the accusations of Zoom being 'paid piracy' were sailing close to that line).

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RoboPond: And it is my choice to not like Zoom yes, but I don't want me mentioned on Zoom's discord that I dislike Zoom. I don't use Discord and people on Discord saying ohh did you see RoboPond said this on this thread etc I don't want.
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Time4Tea: Well that's too bad, bud. In a free society, you don't get to control who can talk about you and how, in public or otherwise, since that would be violating their right to free speech.

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RoboPond: How are you not seeing this?
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Time4Tea: I am seeing that you don't like it and I understand you point. However, I am making some counterpoints regarding aspects of free speech, which you seem to be missing.

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RoboPond: So me saying on GOG's Fictional Discord, Time4Tea is a Zoom shrill and will say things to defend Zoom to know and and will just come up with some lame ass joke to pass the buck off is fine if you where not a member there?
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Time4Tea: I'm fine with other people talking about me, I don't have a problem with it. If I hear someone saying something I think is untrue, then I will step in and do my best to correct them. As for whether it's ok to call me a 'shill' depends on GOG's CoC and whether they have a rule against name-calling. Bear in mind that the rules for Zoom's Discord are not necessarily the same (and there is no reason they have to be).

But then, if people are allowed to call me a shill on here, then by the same set of rules, it must be permitted for me to label them as fanboys ;-)
So Zoom is a global platform, and i'm not in the US so the same rules don't apply also its kinda impolite to talk about people who can't defend themselves. And talking about other companies publicly and people is kinda slander. (But you kind of you do enough of that there anyway.)

And in politics thats kinda their job, retail not so much.

And its great that you can know when people are talking bad about you when you don't even know about or a member of the platform. What is that sonic hearing?

And you've broken GOG's guidelines so many times now so i'm expecting a whole 'Your a GOG shrill from you anytime now', as thats what Zoom people seem to go to.
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RoboPond: So Zoom is a global platform, and i'm not in the US so the same rules don't apply also its kinda impolite to talk about people who can't defend themselves. And talking about other companies publicly and people is kinda slander. (But you kind of you do enough of that there anyway.)
Apparently you're based in the UK and GOG is in Poland, which is EU. Both of those places also value freedom of speech. So yes, the rules on that still apply.

Talking about other companies publicly is not slander. Slander is knowingly making false representations that could be potentially damaging. The only people who were sailing close to slander were the GOG users accusing Zoom earlier in this thread.

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RoboPond: And you've broken GOG's guidelines so many times now so i'm expecting a whole 'Your a GOG shrill from you anytime now', as thats what Zoom people seem to go to.
No, because I'm not going to sink to that low. I prefer to actually address other people's points and arguments.

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Syphon72: You are the Definition of a shill.
Speaking up in defense of another store in a forum thread that is about discussing that specific store is not shilling. If you continue to accuse me of being a shill then I will report you to the forum mods, as it basically amounts to deliberate harassment and baiting of another user.

Besides, your constant name-calling just highlights how lacking your arguments are, given that you so frequently resort to ad-hominems.
Interesting the origins of the word. Never knew about it before. Maybe because It is Slang and I am not a native speaker.

"The origin of the term "shill" is uncertain; it may be an abbreviation of "shillaber". The word originally denoted a carnival worker who pretended to be a member of the audience in an attempt to elicit interest in an attraction. Some sources trace the usage back to 1914, or as far back as 1911."
Post edited September 02, 2022 by Gudadantza
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RoboPond: So Zoom is a global platform, and i'm not in the US so the same rules don't apply also its kinda impolite to talk about people who can't defend themselves. And talking about other companies publicly and people is kinda slander. (But you kind of you do enough of that there anyway.)
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Time4Tea: Apparently you're based in the UK and GOG is in Poland, which is EU. Both of those places also value freedom of speech. So yes, the rules on that still apply.

Talking about other companies publicly is not slander. Slander is knowingly making false representations that could be potentially damaging. The only people who were sailing close to slander were the GOG users accusing Zoom earlier in this thread.

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RoboPond: And you've broken GOG's guidelines so many times now so i'm expecting a whole 'Your a GOG shrill from you anytime now', as thats what Zoom people seem to go to.
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Time4Tea: No, because I'm not going to sink to that low. I prefer to actually address other people's points and arguments.

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Syphon72: You are the Definition of a shill.
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Time4Tea: Speaking up in defense of another store in a forum thread that is about discussing that specific store is not shilling. If you continue to accuse me of being a shill then I will report you to the forum mods, as it basically amounts to deliberate harassment and baiting of another user.

Besides, your constant name-calling just highlights how lacking your arguments are, given that you so frequently resort to ad-hominems.
Name-calling? I called you a shill maybe twice, and you keep name calling multiple GOG users without an argument. But you are the person who doesn't understand what undercutting means.

GOG is relaseing games that have been on ZOOM for years. There even at the same base price as ZOOM but are being sold with a limited time discount. ZOOM logic, they must be doing this on purpose and are undercutting us. Not like steam or Gamersgate sold the same games for years with discount prices as well. Dose this not seem ridiculous to you?

Will you call Zoom out for there bull like you do with GOG? How are you not a shill or biased towards ZOOM?
Post edited September 02, 2022 by Syphon72
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RoboPond: So Zoom is a global platform, and i'm not in the US so the same rules don't apply also its kinda impolite to talk about people who can't defend themselves. And talking about other companies publicly and people is kinda slander. (But you kind of you do enough of that there anyway.)
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Time4Tea: Apparently you're based in the UK and GOG is in Poland, which is EU. Both of those places also value freedom of speech. So yes, the rules on that still apply.

Talking about other companies publicly is not slander. Slander is knowingly making false representations that could be potentially damaging. The only people who were sailing close to slander were the GOG users accusing Zoom earlier in this thread.

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RoboPond: And you've broken GOG's guidelines so many times now so i'm expecting a whole 'Your a GOG shrill from you anytime now', as thats what Zoom people seem to go to.
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Time4Tea: No, because I'm not going to sink to that low. I prefer to actually address other people's points and arguments.
Alright I can't be bothered anymore to try and explain just how damaging you are to the Zoom Platform.

But to sum up for those who are watching Zoom Platform finds it fine to talk about you by GOG username on their Discord no matter if you know what Zoom Platform or Discord is or not.

Also @GOG if Zoom seem fine with allowing comments about you on Discord and such can we just allow us mouthing of about Zoom as much as they allow there?
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RoboPond: Alright I can't be bothered anymore to try and explain just how damaging you are to the Zoom Platform.

But to sum up for those who are watching Zoom Platform finds it fine to talk about you by GOG username on their Discord no matter if you know what Zoom Platform or Discord is or not.
You're still banging the same drum and don't seem to have taken on board anything I have said in my last two posts. I am not going to explain this again, so please read it carefully: there is nothing wrong with talking about other people. It is normal. No permission is required. Otherwise, we would all be getting sued by Todd Howard and Gabe Newell for making fun of them without permission now, wouldn't we?

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RoboPond: Also @GOG if Zoom seem fine with allowing comments about you on Discord and such can we just allow us mouthing of about Zoom as much as they allow there?
Erm ... GOG users bashing Zoom has been happening ever since this thread was started and I have yet to see GOG do anything about it.
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Time4Tea: You're still banging the same drum and don't seem to have taken on board anything I have said in my last two posts. I am not going to explain this again, so please read it carefully: there is nothing wrong with talking about other people. It is normal. No permission is required. Otherwise, we would all be getting sued by Todd Howard and Gabe Newell for making fun of them without permission now, wouldn't we?

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RoboPond: Also @GOG if Zoom seem fine with allowing comments about you on Discord and such can we just allow us mouthing of about Zoom as much as they allow there?
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Time4Tea: Erm ... GOG users bashing Zoom has been happening ever since this thread was started and I have yet to see GOG do anything about it.
But not publicly about customers!

What about that people don't want to be talked about on a platform they might never use do you not understand?

Bhashing as been held back because of rules you dont see anyone here calling out a Zoom user only or a staff member directly. (Unless that staff member seems to not grasp what is going on and asks for it.)

Edit: I'm done. I'll not reply.
Post edited September 02, 2022 by RoboPond
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RoboPond: What about that people don't want to be talked about on a platform they might never use do you not understand?
I've already explained about the principle of free speech and I'm not going to do it again.
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RoboPond: Edit: I'm done. I'll not reply.
Oh, don't stop now! I was just starting to enjoy myself!
Zoom is just circling the drain. Their CEO is a paranoid child who has trouble accepting disappointment. He sends their mods here to promote their crap because Zoom has no other marketing.