Posted September 01, 2022
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BreOl72
GOG is spiralling down
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany
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From Switzerland
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InSaintMonoxide
美猴王
Registered: Mar 2015
From Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posted September 01, 2022
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I would also like to ask you something completely unrelated: Is there is any chance payment via € will be made available eventually on zoom-platform?
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Time4Tea
Free speech and honey!
Registered: Jan 2015
From United States
Posted September 01, 2022
Hi ponczo_. I don't see where I have gone off-topic in this thread (this thread is about Zoom Platform). However, I will refrain from joining wolfsite and foad in continuing to derail the other one (about games at risk of being de-listed from GOG).
armedready: Public Letter:
Now, to explain the long delay…
As you are likely already aware, Bernie Stolar, our former Chairman, passed away on June 22nd, it became public knowledge on June 25th. EA management sent me a condolences message at Midnight on July 6th...followed 9 hours later by a contract termination notice. The only possible reason being Bernie's death was a material change in the Company and, therefore, acceptable cause. This was not one of our typical ZOOM Platform contracts, but a slightly customized Codemasters agreement.
I immediately went on a mission and spoke with founding members of Electronic Arts as well as former Codemasters executives. All of us jointly reached out to EA CEO, Andrew Wilson, who promised he "would look into this". Silence followed until the afternoon of July 25th when I received an email re-affirming their intent to terminate our contract, emphasizing this is strictly a "business decision”… This is very sad, to hear that the EA/Codemasters games that are on Zoom are at risk of being de-listed. It might be a good idea for anyone that wants these games to stay DRM-free to put pressure on EA in any way they can.
Damn, I really want that Codemasters Cartoon Collection! I love Dizzy. Don't do it, EA! :-(
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Now, to explain the long delay…
As you are likely already aware, Bernie Stolar, our former Chairman, passed away on June 22nd, it became public knowledge on June 25th. EA management sent me a condolences message at Midnight on July 6th...followed 9 hours later by a contract termination notice. The only possible reason being Bernie's death was a material change in the Company and, therefore, acceptable cause. This was not one of our typical ZOOM Platform contracts, but a slightly customized Codemasters agreement.
I immediately went on a mission and spoke with founding members of Electronic Arts as well as former Codemasters executives. All of us jointly reached out to EA CEO, Andrew Wilson, who promised he "would look into this". Silence followed until the afternoon of July 25th when I received an email re-affirming their intent to terminate our contract, emphasizing this is strictly a "business decision”…
Damn, I really want that Codemasters Cartoon Collection! I love Dizzy. Don't do it, EA! :-(
Post edited September 01, 2022 by Time4Tea
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armedready
Not so new anymore
Registered: Dec 2013
From United Kingdom
Posted September 01, 2022
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I would also like to ask you something completely unrelated: Is there is any chance payment via € will be made available eventually on zoom-platform?
I don't know about currencies that is something you'll have to ask zoom platform.
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InSaintMonoxide
美猴王
Registered: Mar 2015
From Bosnia and Herzegovina
Posted September 01, 2022
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I would also like to ask you something completely unrelated: Is there is any chance payment via € will be made available eventually on zoom-platform?
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I don't know about currencies that is something you'll have to ask zoom platform.
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Trooper1270
Baldrick!, do we have any milk ?...
Registered: Apr 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted September 01, 2022
My sentiments exactly. But that does not bode well for a company wishing/wanting to grow its user base. Unless that's the kind of customer base they are touting for, Whiney, childish etc...
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QWEEDDYZ
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Registered: Jun 2015
From Canada
Posted September 01, 2022
Note: These games were never exclusives to Zoom. They been on steam and other platforms DRM free. I'm pretty sure steam has them drm free as well.
So where it is a childish? It is buisness. They do what the can, reduce prices. And always try to contact Ip owner to make game stay on sale. While GOG absolutely dont care and become almost like a Valve. Ofc not, but there is similaries. GOG dont care what publishers want to do with realses, which one games bring here and which ones remove. Provide more and more freedom to publishers.
So what wrong with ZOOM attitude? Where is in statements something AGAINST GOG? Where you find that in a statements? It is comment about hard work to contact companies and some personal right owners (Jordan Freeman try to stay in touch with everyones involved in original game and degital re-\releases), and that can be lost anyway jsut for one person. There is neutral comment about GOG.
Im here blame GOG. ZOOM did not that in s statements. it is looks like fanboism and deliberate lies.
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Jordan Freeman dont like GOG, as it can been seen after GOG's release of Killing Time. But it never be insult to GOG from ZOOM. He ask not mention ZOOM on Killing Time storefront and on GOG's FCKDRM website (now defunct). Not sure if even that can be called 'childish' (removing free adverts for ZOOM from FCKDRM). But blame them for it - it is a childish. Freeman personally dont like GOG - and it is his right. Until he start to blame GOG's publicy and for wrong\fake reasons.
Post edited September 01, 2022 by QWEEDDYZ
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Trooper1270
Baldrick!, do we have any milk ?...
Registered: Apr 2014
From United Kingdom
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SLP2000
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted September 01, 2022
I don't really care about Zoom, but I want Mega-lo-Mania (and Codemasters Cartoon). If GOG won't release them, I'll buy them on Zoom.
As well as KGB.
As well as KGB.
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Cookie Monster
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From Christmas Island
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Not that that would have been needed, as far as I'm concerned.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon
"Many messages from gamers" = Fake News!
Registered: May 2017
From United States
Posted September 01, 2022
Zoom Platform mocked and denigrated GOG some time ago, claiming that Zoom Platform was the first one to have a specific game be DRM-free, and implying that GOG was riding on their (Zoom Platform's) coattails and unjustly co-opting the game by releasing it on GOG.
I am paraphrasing from memory, but I'm sure someone who is more familiar with the matter can pull up the exact quotation verbatim of what I'm talking about.
EDIT: after making this post, I read the earlier recent posts in this thread, and found this quotation from a Zoom Platform spokesman:
armedready: No matter how many times we prove GOG wrong though…certain publishers just don’t seem to get it. ...which also indicates the same kind of hostile attitude from Zoom Platform towards GOG.
...and also so does this statement, which is apparently also from the same Zoom Platform spokesman (but it's still not the statement that I was referring to in my post above, although another it's another similar one):
armedready: While EA seems to believe that their partnership with GOG makes us redundant, we beg to differ. Several Codemasters titles launched here first. For example, the Overlord series. On a different note but also on the subject of Zoom Platform, of which a spokesman for them apparently also said this:
Syphon72: From Zoom:
You may have noticed six former Fulqrum Publishing DRM-Free exclusives showed up on GOG today. Most of the list prices were also cut in half. We have dropped our own list prices to match. I'll be frank, we cannot compete with their current sale prices. We strive to deliver the highest quality and customer service. Those are our differentiators. My response to that is: you keeping your prices uber-high on your store is also something that is going to contribute to you being in the red and/or making very little profit, and also never growing your customer base in any significant way.
I've never bought anything on your Zoom Platform store for two primary reasons:
1. your selection of games is way too small and
2. your prices of your games is way too high.
If your "justification" for your high prices is your great customer service, then I'd prefer instead that you degrade your customer service down to very crappy levels, and decrease your prices on your games accordingly.
In other words, I'd strongly prefer crappy customer service coupled with low-priced games, rather than great customer service coupled with high-priced games.
If you switch to the former, then I'd probably buy from Zoom Platform sometimes. But if you stick to the latter, then I probably will continue never to buy from Zoom Platform. And I expect many other gamers would feel & do likewise.
I am paraphrasing from memory, but I'm sure someone who is more familiar with the matter can pull up the exact quotation verbatim of what I'm talking about.
EDIT: after making this post, I read the earlier recent posts in this thread, and found this quotation from a Zoom Platform spokesman:
![avatar](http://images.gog.com/3e62e54e5513053cd5411aa98c96629bf87aa178d4765052803fe197c7994b2f_avm.jpg)
...and also so does this statement, which is apparently also from the same Zoom Platform spokesman (but it's still not the statement that I was referring to in my post above, although another it's another similar one):
![avatar](http://images.gog.com/3e62e54e5513053cd5411aa98c96629bf87aa178d4765052803fe197c7994b2f_avm.jpg)
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You may have noticed six former Fulqrum Publishing DRM-Free exclusives showed up on GOG today. Most of the list prices were also cut in half. We have dropped our own list prices to match. I'll be frank, we cannot compete with their current sale prices. We strive to deliver the highest quality and customer service. Those are our differentiators.
I've never bought anything on your Zoom Platform store for two primary reasons:
1. your selection of games is way too small and
2. your prices of your games is way too high.
If your "justification" for your high prices is your great customer service, then I'd prefer instead that you degrade your customer service down to very crappy levels, and decrease your prices on your games accordingly.
In other words, I'd strongly prefer crappy customer service coupled with low-priced games, rather than great customer service coupled with high-priced games.
If you switch to the former, then I'd probably buy from Zoom Platform sometimes. But if you stick to the latter, then I probably will continue never to buy from Zoom Platform. And I expect many other gamers would feel & do likewise.
Post edited September 01, 2022 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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fronzelneekburm
I'm back!
Registered: Apr 2012
From China, People's Republic of
Posted September 01, 2022
Not gonna lie, the butthurt and salt generated by the incredibly petty gog V Zoom infights is my main source of forum-related entertainment these days. Keep it up, folks! :D
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Trooper1270
Baldrick!, do we have any milk ?...
Registered: Apr 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted September 01, 2022
Which I doubt would be allowed (along with the free advertising/promotion) on any other competing platform...
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Syphon72
Being postive is bad on GOG
Registered: Sep 2011
From United States
Posted September 01, 2022
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Note: These games were never exclusives to Zoom. They been on steam and other platforms DRM free. I'm pretty sure steam has them drm free as well.
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So where it is a childish? It is buisness. They do what the can, reduce prices. And always try to contact Ip owner to make game stay on sale. While GOG absolutely dont care and become almost like a Valve. Ofc not, but there is similaries. GOG dont care what publishers want to do with realses, which one games bring here and which ones remove. Provide more and more freedom to publishers.
So what wrong with ZOOM attitude? Where is in statements something AGAINST GOG? Where you find that in a statements? It is comment about hard work to contact companies and some personal right owners (Jordan Freeman try to stay in touch with everyones involved in original game and degital re-\releases), and that can be lost anyway jsut for one person. There is neutral comment about GOG.
Im here blame GOG. ZOOM did not that in s statements. it is looks like fanboism and deliberate lies.
------------
Jordan Freeman dont like GOG, as it can been seen after GOG's release of Killing Time. But it never be insult to GOG from ZOOM. He ask not mention ZOOM on Killing Time storefront and on GOG's FCKDRM website (now defunct). Not sure if even that can be called 'childish' (removing free adverts for ZOOM from FCKDRM). But blame them for it - it is a childish. Freeman personally dont like GOG - and it is his right. Until he start to blame GOG's publicy and for wrong\fake reasons.
What about the games GOG had before Zoom, like Daymare or Flatout? Can't GOG say Zoom doing the same thing?
I would hang out on their discord until every other day, they would bring up GOG and bad talk. GOG would be releasing new games while Zoom was too busy hating on GOG. It was off-putting. This is coming from a guy that has about 50 games from them. Zoom's biggest threat is not GOG but Zoom itself.
Edit: what I posted was not about the EA games. It was about Fulqrum Publishing.
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Not to mention that having multiple shops releasing a game is pretty common, most of the old "Gog-exclusives" ended up on Steam. They really seems to have some hate boner for Gog for some reason. Which is silly "smaller" shop should better concentrate on Steam on Epics rather than fighting each other.
Post edited September 02, 2022 by Syphon72