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Posted May 13, 2020
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GameRager: If someone from ZOOM ever reads this page, or someone can send this to them...these bits of the installer EULA seem troubling/iffy:
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The bit about not being able to install one's games to multiple PCs(possibly even their own PCs): Does this include if one wants to install to multiple PCs they own to play in various locations(like work and home, or work and on the go)? If so, can this maybe be a bit more lenient for those who want to install to multiple PCs for their own use at least?

The bit about not backing up an archival installer to a hard drive: um, most people back up their files to hard drives....not stuff like optical discs(which are rare for most to use as backups, afaik).

I guess people could use flash drives, but for multiple large games this would be impractical(the same would be said even more for optical discs, which have less capacity than many flash drives)
EULA is old and is being redone.

Backing up and multiple installs are allowed.

https://i.imgur.com/vfbonnH.jpg
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Posted May 13, 2020
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Mr.Mumbles: Plus, illegally selling games. Yay!
According to the CEO they have not recieved a takedown notice from Codemasters and if they get one from CM they will take it down. So he also encourages people to contact ip holders should they feel something is off. GOG also did contact many of Zoom's Partners that they share with GOG for verification.

and Funbox media
https://www.funboxmedia.co.uk/new-release-incoming-trilogy/ so yeah feel free to contact IP holders if you feel something is amiss, they even encourage it.
Post edited May 13, 2020 by Lord_Kane
Posted May 13, 2020
Yeah... either Zoom is full of hip fresh independents whom just have not gotten any info on which games to pull or not or you know, they are lead by industry veterans that probably own the license rights or had at least some very HEAVY influence on how it gets distributed.

Check the names of the guys up and judge for yourself ;)

[Moderated by SmollestLight: Link has been deleted]
Post edited April 04, 2022 by SmollestLight
Posted May 13, 2020
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Anothername: Yeah... either Zoom is full of hip fresh independents whom just have not gotten any info on which games to pull or not or you know, they are lead by industry veterans that probably own the license rights or had at least some very HEAVY influence on how it gets distributed.

https://www.zoom-platform.com/#about

Check the names of the guys up and judge for yourself ;)
You could be John Romero and still not have much pull, over other companies. Its all about money.

There is a strong chance that for games such as Duke they are either lying as tbh they are hardly going to say yes we are selling them illegally when questioned on it.

Or more likely Zoom is so small that the rights holders just forget to pull it from that platform.

Also Zoom's site sucks. Geez, I thought GOG's was bad.
Posted May 13, 2020
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Anothername: Yeah... either Zoom is full of hip fresh independents whom just have not gotten any info on which games to pull or not or you know, they are lead by industry veterans that probably own the license rights or had at least some very HEAVY influence on how it gets distributed.

https://www.zoom-platform.com/#about

Check the names of the guys up and judge for yourself ;)
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RoboPond: You could be John Romero and still not have much pull, over other companies. Its all about money.

There is a strong chance that for games such as Duke they are either lying as tbh they are hardly going to say yes we are selling them illegally when questioned on it.

Or more likely Zoom is so small that the rights holders just forget to pull it from that platform.

Also Zoom's site sucks. Geez, I thought GOG's was bad.
It's apparently getting an overhaul soontm.
Posted May 13, 2020
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Anothername: Yeah... either Zoom is full of hip fresh independents whom just have not gotten any info on which games to pull or not or you know, they are lead by industry veterans that probably own the license rights or had at least some very HEAVY influence on how it gets distributed.

https://www.zoom-platform.com/#about

Check the names of the guys up and judge for yourself ;)
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RoboPond: You could be John Romero and still not have much pull, over other companies. Its all about money.

There is a strong chance that for games such as Duke they are either lying as tbh they are hardly going to say yes we are selling them illegally when questioned on it.

Or more likely Zoom is so small that the rights holders just forget to pull it from that platform.

Also Zoom's site sucks. Geez, I thought GOG's was bad.
No defending their page from me. The filtering & browsing is terribad. But considering that they partnered with 3d Realms and the DukeN co creator makes it a bit unlikely that there is any kind of oversight.

https://www.arcadeattack.co.uk/bernie-stolar-jordan-freeman/

Wow, that’s incredible! So, who inspired you to get into games?

J: I’m very proud to be working with and partnered with the two people who inspired me to get into the games industry. Mr. Stolar right here and Scott Miller of 3D Realms. Bernie was one of the key guys behind PlayStation and responsible for bringing us Ridge Racer, Battle Arena Toshinden, Oddworld, and Crash Bandicoot among others. Then, he was the guy behind the Dreamcast, which pioneered console-based online gaming with DLC years before Xbox Live. On top of that, you wouldn’t have Visual Concepts/2K Sports without him either. EA’s decision to not support Dreamcast, created their biggest rival. After working with Sega on Dreamcast, they eventually went to Take Two/2K. Scott Miller essentially created digital distribution, episodic gaming, and the game demo in the 1980’s way before anyone else. Even the concept of games without “lives” can be traced back to him. He figured all this out on Bulletin Board Systems and created the shareware business model, absolutely incredible. With Apogee/3D Realms, he co-created major franchises like Duke Nukem, Max Payne, Prey, and Wolfenstein.
Posted May 13, 2020
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RoboPond: You could be John Romero and still not have much pull, over other companies. Its all about money.

There is a strong chance that for games such as Duke they are either lying as tbh they are hardly going to say yes we are selling them illegally when questioned on it.

Or more likely Zoom is so small that the rights holders just forget to pull it from that platform.

Also Zoom's site sucks. Geez, I thought GOG's was bad.
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Anothername: No defending their page from me. The filtering & browsing is terribad. But considering that they partnered with 3d Realms and the DukeN co creator makes it a bit unlikely that there is any kind of oversight.

https://www.arcadeattack.co.uk/bernie-stolar-jordan-freeman/

Wow, that’s incredible! So, who inspired you to get into games?

J: I’m very proud to be working with and partnered with the two people who inspired me to get into the games industry. Mr. Stolar right here and Scott Miller of 3D Realms. Bernie was one of the key guys behind PlayStation and responsible for bringing us Ridge Racer, Battle Arena Toshinden, Oddworld, and Crash Bandicoot among others. Then, he was the guy behind the Dreamcast, which pioneered console-based online gaming with DLC years before Xbox Live. On top of that, you wouldn’t have Visual Concepts/2K Sports without him either. EA’s decision to not support Dreamcast, created their biggest rival. After working with Sega on Dreamcast, they eventually went to Take Two/2K. Scott Miller essentially created digital distribution, episodic gaming, and the game demo in the 1980’s way before anyone else. Even the concept of games without “lives” can be traced back to him. He figured all this out on Bulletin Board Systems and created the shareware business model, absolutely incredible. With Apogee/3D Realms, he co-created major franchises like Duke Nukem, Max Payne, Prey, and Wolfenstein.
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Anothername:
Remember that one time Al Lowe - the muthaphuckin CREATOR of Leisure Suit Larry! - found a bunch of master disks in his attic and put them up on ebay and was almost immediately forced by Activision to pull his auctions? Funny thing is, Activision didn't even own the rights to LSL, they just figured the LSL source code that was on these floppies might include residual source code from other, Activision-owned games.

This is how fuggd up copyright laws really are! They don't protect the rights of the actual CREATORS, whey protect the rights of whatever vulture that ends up with the property rights in his lap. In the case of Duke, while Scott Miller might be the (co-)creator of these games, the rights to the series is in the hands of Randy Bitchfraud.

If Zoom found some loophole to sell these games while cutting out Bitchfraud, more power to them! But Race Driver Grid still being available really makes me wonder whether they REALLY have all those rights issues sorted out...
Posted May 13, 2020
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Anothername: But considering that they partnered with 3d Realms and the DukeN co creator makes it a bit unlikely that there is any kind of oversight.
Seeing as how Zoom seem to be the only retail front to sell them digitally (as they were pulled from here, Steam, and every other site such as Humble Bundle etc.) It just doesn't sit right with me.

Sites have been partnered with other official sites or people before that have been found to be selling games that they shouldn't of been. Who or what they are partnered with makes no difference.
Posted May 13, 2020
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Anothername: But considering that they partnered with 3d Realms and the DukeN co creator makes it a bit unlikely that there is any kind of oversight.
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RoboPond: Seeing as how Zoom seem to be the only retail front to sell them digitally (as they were pulled from here, Steam, and every other site such as Humble Bundle etc.) It just doesn't sit right with me.

Sites have been partnered with other official sites or people before that have been found to be selling games that they shouldn't of been. Who or what they are partnered with makes no difference.
They had a perpetual contract for most of the games on the store. That is why they can still sell them.
Posted May 13, 2020
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Lord_Kane: oh I got it, I was just pairing down your overly verbose statement into something a bit smaller and easier to read.
Ok then. :)

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Lord_Kane: EULA is old and is being redone.

Backing up and multiple installs are allowed.

https://i.imgur.com/vfbonnH.jpg
That is good news and good to hear.....thanks for asking on our behalf, btw.

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Lord_Kane: According to the CEO they have not recieved a takedown notice from Codemasters and if they get one from CM they will take it down. So he also encourages people to contact ip holders should they feel something is off. GOG also did contact many of Zoom's Partners that they share with GOG for verification.
Thius is also encouraging to hear.

(Aside: Why do I think that GOG[the company] wasn't asking on Zoom's IP holders for verification out of the milk of human kindness[they are a competitor, after all]? o.0)

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RoboPond: There is a strong chance that for games such as Duke they are either lying as tbh they are hardly going to say yes we are selling them illegally when questioned on it.

Or more likely Zoom is so small that the rights holders just forget to pull it from that platform.
Read Lord Kane's replies on page 5 and 6(20 posts per page setting)....they talked about how Zoom has the right to sell said games for a very long time and Randy must allow it.

(Also re: post 133 above: You are more than free to check into the legality of the selling of any game on the site, if it doesn't sit right with you for some reason. ;))

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RoboPond: Also Zoom's site sucks. Geez, I thought GOG's was bad.
Agreed. If you middle click on some game categories in the sort by company list it opens a page that says BLOCKED, menus close if you hover your mouse off of them, etc.

Also they need gift code options and more payment options.
Post edited May 13, 2020 by GameRager
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Lord_Kane: It's apparently getting an overhaul soontm.
As said to Robopond, a few things they could fix/add to(if you ever talk to them again, it would be helpful and nice if you could relay them :)):

1. They need gift codes(if they don't have them yet....I didn't see any such option myself when I went there), so people can gift games to people who may or may not yet have an account(which they can redeem, of course, by making an account).

2. Middle clicking the company categories in the main store page opens a page that says blocked, instead of opening that category in a new window.

3. If one hovers off of menus for even a split second they close(very bad for those with shaky hands due to physical conditions and such).

4. When one opens the categories/genres menu and clicks a genre/category from it and then goes back to that menu(to maybe click a new one), it resets the menu tab to the first "page" of choices(1 of 9) instead of remembering which "page" of choices one was on before(this might also affect the other dropdown tabs as well).....this could do maybe with an option one could set to remember their last used dropdown tab "page" or not.

5. Last, but not least.....hey need to add more payment options....as not everyone has paypal(and some might be banned for one reason or other from PP).

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fronzelneekburm: If Zoom found some loophole to sell these games while cutting out Bitchfraud, more power to them! But Race Driver Grid still being available really makes me wonder whether they REALLY have all those rights issues sorted out...
As Lord Kane said, we can(and should, if we have concerns) contact the ip holders if we want and feel the need to to make sure everything is above board. :)

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Truth007: They had a perpetual contract for most of the games on the store. That is why they can still sell them.
If this is the case than that explains it(still, people are free to inquire with rights holders if they harbor any doubts).
Post edited May 13, 2020 by GameRager
Posted May 14, 2020
See attachment for what Zoom says regarding licensing.
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Post edited May 14, 2020 by SlackR84
Posted May 18, 2020
For what it's worth, Commander Keen, Heretic, and Hexen have been requested on Zoom's discord. Who knows how that will turn out, though...
Posted May 19, 2020
Got a reply to that e-mail I sent too. They say they're estimating 6-8 weeks to the new site, so don't hold your breath, but yes it will have more payment options, including PSC, and yes it will also display recent releases. And supposedly the 140 they announced they'll add have become around 200.
Posted May 19, 2020
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Cavalary: Got a reply to that e-mail I sent too. They say they're estimating 6-8 weeks to the new site, so don't hold your breath, but yes it will have more payment options, including PSC, and yes it will also display recent releases. And supposedly the 140 they announced they'll add have become around 200.
Nice, payment options and adding a good number of games(not as many as GOG but a decent amount).

Eh, I can wait for 6-8 weeks......it's better than "soon"(Tm).
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