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Tauto: You sell LEMONS here GOG?
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG sells lots of games that are vastly inferior/gimped compared to the versions of the same games that are on Steam. Some of them even have new multiplayer patches on Steam for games that are over 10 years old while the GOG versions are left without them.

Today I was looking at this GOGmix of games that have Achievements on Steam but not on GOG, and it's ridiculously long: https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

There's no excuse for that either. If a game has Achievements on Steam, then it should also have them on GOG, period. GOG customers are not second-class citizens, so it's time the devs stopped treating them as if they are. GOG should stop allowing the sale of all games on its platform that are in any way inferior to their Steam counterparts.
I was just looking at a Hat In Time. I was tempted to buy it but I read the Steam version was more updated than the GAG version.

I have mentioned this before and while GAG itself is to blame some of the time, I think it is mostly up to the developer to have the game updated.

Most of the time, they are the ones who treat their GAG customers as second class citizens due to it being easier for them for whatever reason it might be (be it Steamworks or otherwise) to update their games on Steam. However, we as GAG customers do pay a premium for our games to be DRM-Free.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG sells lots of games that are vastly inferior/gimped compared to the versions of the same games that are on Steam. Some of them even have new multiplayer patches on Steam for games that are over 10 years old while the GOG versions are left without them.

Today I was looking at this GOGmix of games that have Achievements on Steam but not on GOG, and it's ridiculously long: https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

There's no excuse for that either. If a game has Achievements on Steam, then it should also have them on GOG, period. GOG customers are not second-class citizens, so it's time the devs stopped treating them as if they are. GOG should stop allowing the sale of all games on its platform that are in any way inferior to their Steam counterparts.
There's plenty of excuse. It's a business decision. Steam had achievements long before GOG. So if a game had cheevos on Steam before GOG even had them, there was no API to add them here. Further, once achievements were available here, coding them is different than on Steam. So if an older game doesn't have cheevos, is it worth it for the dev or pub to pay someone to code this feature and add it to a game that may or may not even be generating positive income at this time? Probably not. Cry all you want about "I demand it so it must be!!" but people aren't going into debt and lose money to appease your every whim.

I hate HBS for the state they left Necropolis in. I won't ever buy from them again because of it, and how deceptively the store didn't highlight missing features. But I do understand the decision. They gotta feed their programmers.
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Tauto: Yes,you are correct.In the long run,with word spread around it will only harm them and cannot possibly be a benefit to sales.This is a must fix,if they wish to compete against the rest.The bare minimal factor should be get ALL games up to date.If unable then they should let people know that a game is not up to date with a short note or tag.Then the buyer can make up their own mind to whether to purchase or not.
This. SO MUCH THIS. There needs to be a big red tag about game versions on out of date games for whatever reason. If they lose sales, maybe people will see the benefit of up-to-date games here instead of release, maybe patch, and forget it while the Steam edition gets tons of new content.

Ultimately I could almost think this is a ploy by some game devs to try and cement Steam as king and get people to buy there. "Look, people complain on GOG and are not buying our game!"


Of course my big fear is if pubs/devs are pushed, they'll just leave and while one or two doing so is ok, too many will hurt GOG and they will find themselves like Shiny or Desura.
Post edited June 10, 2018 by paladin181
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG sells lots of games that are vastly inferior/gimped compared to the versions of the same games that are on Steam. Some of them even have new multiplayer patches on Steam for games that are over 10 years old while the GOG versions are left without them.

Today I was looking at this GOGmix of games that have Achievements on Steam but not on GOG, and it's ridiculously long: https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

There's no excuse for that either. If a game has Achievements on Steam, then it should also have them on GOG, period. GOG customers are not second-class citizens, so it's time the devs stopped treating them as if they are. GOG should stop allowing the sale of all games on its platform that are in any way inferior to their Steam counterparts.
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paladin181: There's plenty of excuse. It's a business decision. Steam had achievements long before GOG. So if a game had cheevos on Steam before GOG even had them, there was no API to add them here. Further, once achievements were available here, coding them is different than on Steam. So if an older game doesn't have cheevos, is it worth it for the dev or pub to pay someone to code this feature and add it to a game that may or may not even be generating positive income at this time? Probably not. Cry all you want about "I demand it so it must be!!" but people aren't going into debt and lose money to appease your every whim.

I hate HBS for the state they left Necropolis in. I won't ever buy from them again because of it, and how deceptively the store didn't highlight missing features. But I do understand the decision. They gotta feed their programmers.
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Tauto: Yes,you are correct.In the long run,with word spread around it will only harm them and cannot possibly be a benefit to sales.This is a must fix,if they wish to compete against the rest.The bare minimal factor should be get ALL games up to date.If unable then they should let people know that a game is not up to date with a short note or tag.Then the buyer can make up their own mind to whether to purchase or not.
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paladin181: This. SO MUCH THIS. There needs to be a big red tag about game versions on out of date games for whatever reason. If they lose sales, maybe people will see the benefit of up-to-date games here instead of release, maybe patch, and forget it while the Steam edition gets tons of new content.

Ultimately I could almost think this is a ploy by some game devs to try and cement Steam as king and get people to buy there. "Look, people complain on GOG and are not buying our game!"
It's just good customer relations, A long long long time ago there was a saying ''the customer is always right''.The customer was welcome and greeted.Now it's......watu wont?
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Tauto: You sell LEMONS here GOG?
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG sells lots of games that are vastly inferior/gimped compared to the versions of the same games that are on Steam. Some of them even have new multiplayer patches on Steam for games that are over 10 years old while the GOG versions are left without them.

Today I was looking at this GOGmix of games that have Achievements on Steam but not on GOG, and it's ridiculously long: https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

There's no excuse for that either. If a game has Achievements on Steam, then it should also have them on GOG, period. GOG customers are not second-class citizens, so it's time the devs stopped treating them as if they are. GOG should stop allowing the sale of all games on its platform that are in any way inferior to their Steam counterparts.
Achievments are a dumb gimmick and shouldnt even be on GoG. Most of them are earned just for playing the game normally...
Do you ever get that slimy feeling when you agree with something a specific person says, but you absolutely despise pretty much everything else that person stands for? That feeling where you honestly consider for just a second changing your stance on that one point just so you won't be in agreement with them or have your own thoughts associated with the typical midden heap that is their opinion?

No? Is it just me?
Post edited June 10, 2018 by paladin181
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: GOG sells lots of games that are vastly inferior/gimped compared to the versions of the same games that are on Steam. Some of them even have new multiplayer patches on Steam for games that are over 10 years old while the GOG versions are left without them.

Today I was looking at this GOGmix of games that have Achievements on Steam but not on GOG, and it's ridiculously long: https://www.gog.com/mix/achievements_on_steam_but_not_gog

There's no excuse for that either. If a game has Achievements on Steam, then it should also have them on GOG, period. GOG customers are not second-class citizens, so it's time the devs stopped treating them as if they are. GOG should stop allowing the sale of all games on its platform that are in any way inferior to their Steam counterparts.
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LePeureux: Achievments are a dumb gimmick and shouldnt even be on GoG. Most of them are earned just for playing the game normally...
You may personally hate them but they are the norm now and games without them tend to loose out a lot of sales, we are seeing a lot more posts now on gog where people are requesting of achievements.
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LePeureux: Achievments are a dumb gimmick and shouldnt even be on GoG. Most of them are earned just for playing the game normally...
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liquidsnakehpks: You may personally hate them but they are the norm now and games without them tend to loose out a lot of sales, we are seeing a lot more posts now on gog where people are requesting of achievements.
check his profile and look at his reviews. :P

I think that says it all.

I just reported his Witcher 3 one.
Post edited June 10, 2018 by tinyE
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LePeureux: Achievments are a dumb gimmick and shouldnt even be on GoG. Most of them are earned just for playing the game normally...
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liquidsnakehpks: You may personally hate them but they are the norm now and games without them tend to loose out a lot of sales, we are seeing a lot more posts now on gog where people are requesting of achievements.
Well those people need to get put back in their place with a firm slap with the back of the hand. They need to be told that achievments are silly and so they are for requesting them.

If we keep allowing achievments soon we are going to end up with fricking trading cards and more shovelware.
Post edited June 10, 2018 by LePeureux
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: There's no excuse for that either. If a game has Achievements on Steam, then it should also have them on GOG, period. GOG customers are not second-class citizens, so it's time the devs stopped treating them as if they are. GOG should stop allowing the sale of all games on its platform that are in any way inferior to their Steam counterparts.
I disagree. Since I couldn't care rat's ass about achievements, and with most cases not about multiplayer either, I definitely want GOG to sell them even if they are missing either of those two.

The only thing that is needed is that the GOG gamecard is clear on what the game has (and doesn't have). For instance, if there is no icon for either achievements or multiplayer on the gamecard, that should be a hint to you that the GOG version doesn't support them.
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richlind33: She didn't have an evil laugh, did she?

That doll has an evil laugh. All it needs is a Linda Blair head.

I upvoted your OP. Hopefully some other peeps do, too.
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Tauto: I doubt that,times two.I would rather see a mod discuss this without the bulldust.
Might help if you changed your user title, m8. I don't care, but some peeps do.

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liquidsnakehpks: You may personally hate them but they are the norm now and games without them tend to loose out a lot of sales, we are seeing a lot more posts now on gog where people are requesting of achievements.
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LePeureux: Well those people need to get put back in their place with a firm slap with the back of the hand. They need to be told that achievments are silly and so they are for requesting them.

If we keep allowing achievments soon we are going to end up with fricking trading cards and more shovelware.
And more French Canadians. o.O
Post edited June 11, 2018 by richlind33
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Tauto: I doubt that,times two.I would rather see a mod discuss this without the bulldust.
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richlind33: Might help if you changed your user title, m8. I don't care, but some peeps do.

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LePeureux: Well those people need to get put back in their place with a firm slap with the back of the hand. They need to be told that achievments are silly and so they are for requesting them.

If we keep allowing achievments soon we are going to end up with fricking trading cards and more shovelware.
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richlind33: And more French Canadians. o.O
Not happening,and I don't care either.
I'm a militant supporter of lemons.
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sergeant_citrus: I'm a militant supporter of lemons.
He was awesome in The China Syndrome!
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tinyE: He was awesome in The China Syndrome!
Also Grumpy Old Men.