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Matewis: Well, I was like 5 when I watched The Little Mermaid for the first time and it definitely helped that I developed a crush on Ariel right away :)
I could not have been much older then that when I saw it. When I said "I walked out" I meant me and my mom who took me to see it. I was just like "can we go now?" :D

I just don't like Disney's usual candy coated song-filled style. My favourite movies of theirs are the ones furtherest away from the "Disney Princess" musical love story - The Great Mouse Detective, Black Cauldron, Winnie the Pooh. Even Aladdin, despite technically featuring songs and a princess is much more of an action adventure story.

I always explain the difference between Black Cauldron and most Disney movies by just showing people this clip and saying "this is his "villain song moment" :D

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Matewis: But as for your stance on Jungle Book, that's different. I completely get that someone may become a fan of the book and then resent the fact that the adaptation cheapens/trivializes/completely change the plot and characters for whatever reason.
Luckily for me in this regard I haven't read any of the books these films are based on (and based on what you've just said I'm glad I didn't - before the films at least, I still want to read them), so luckily I was free to judge the films entirely on their on merits. But for any fans of preceding media/literature that is of course impossible. It's just that you sometimes(usually?) get the short end of the stick. I know that all to well myself.
Yeah, I'll admit that I probably would not have liked The Black Cauldron as much have I read the books first. Now that I have, I see all the issueas with the movie, but I still like it, but maybe that first impression was key.

And I encourage you - read those books. I don't think it can ruin your already made up mind on the movies (like me and the Black Cauldron) but it's well worth it, for the books themselve as much as for the knowledge of how they differ from the films. For example it's quite remarable how Captain Hook is basically a buffoon, a comedic villain in the Peter Pan film, yet in the book he's this fascinating gentelmanly monster of a human being with "eyes which were of the blue of the forget-me-not save when he was plunging his hook into you, at which time two red spots appeared in them and lit them up horribly".
Post edited March 19, 2018 by Breja
Well since Black Cauldron is being brought up a lot, I guess I'll mention that my favorite Disney movie is still The Fox and the Hound. At the time of its first release, though, I was too young to understand its subtlety and nuances of mood. It wasn't the energetic type that could easily entertain tots like, say, the later 90s movies or Aristocats from the earlier decade.
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Breja: I could not have been much older then that when I saw it. When I said "I walked out" I meant me and my mom who took me to see it. I was just like "can we go now?" :D
Ah ok that makes more sense :) I figured you were of similar age so I just conjured up this image of a small kid walking out of the cinema in disgust going "I can't believe I spent an entire month's allowance on this crap!"

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Breja: Yeah, I'll admit that I probably would not have liked The Black Cauldron as much have I read the books first. Now that I have, I see all the issueas with the movie, but I still like it, but maybe that first impression was key.

And I encourage you - read those books. I don't think it can ruin your already made up mind on the movies (like me and the Black Cauldron) but it's well worth it, for the books themselve as much as for the knowledge of how they differ from the films. For example it's quite remarable how Captain Hook is basically a buffoon, a comedic villain in the Peter Pan film, yet in the book he's this fascinating gentelmanly monster of a human being with "eyes which were of the blue of the forget-me-not save when he was plunging his hook into you, at which time two red spots appeared in them and lit them up horribly".
I have this distinct feeling that I'm going to find Peter Pan somewhat, well, disturbing. But yes, I definitely intend to read those books, I'm just a bit slow at working through my reading list. I'm in the early stages of a Ken Follett book at the moment, and I already have 3 books by Brian Sanderson waiting after that.
And I doubt that the books will influence my enjoyment of those films in any significant way. I imagine at most it will be similar to your experience with The Black Cauldron.
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pmcollectorboy: Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Mysterious Cities of Gold(old 80s cartoon that ages pretty well).
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
Star vs the Forces of Evil.
Is The Order A Rabbit?
Avatar was pretty good indeed. Still gotta watch Legend of Korra. It is in my to-do list.

I'm surprised I never heard of MCoG when it is being so praised in this thread. It was probably ignored by the brazilian tv stations back then and without an internet we were kinda locked out of anything that they didn't bother with.

I'm half curious about what is so great with MLP. Just not enough to justify pushing it to the front of my queue, and the prospect of becoming a brony is probably enough to always push it after something else. It is a fate too scary to contemplate.

Never heard of the last two.
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My own additions to the thread:

- Dungeons and Dragons
- Animaniacs (especially Pinky and the Brain)
- Futurama
Post edited March 19, 2018 by joppo
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White_Barry: Maybe you have a long running obsession with a certain all American fat bald yellow dude?
Was it really necessary, to drag Fuckface Von Clownstick into the discussion? ;)
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pmcollectorboy: Avatar: The Last Airbender.
Mysterious Cities of Gold(old 80s cartoon that ages pretty well).
My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
Star vs the Forces of Evil.
Is The Order A Rabbit?
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joppo: Avatar was pretty good indeed. Still gotta watch Legend of Korra. It is in my to-do list.

I'm surprised I never heard of MCoG when it is being so praised in this thread. It was probably ignored by the brazilian tv stations back then and without an internet we were kinda locked out of anything that they didn't bother with.

I'm half curious about what is so great with MLP. Just not enough to justify pushing it to the front of my queue, and the prospect of becoming a brony is probably enough to always push it after something else. It is a fate too scary to contemplate.

Never heard of the last two.
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My own additions to the thread:

- Dungeons and Dragons
- Animaniacs (especially Pinky and the Brain)
- Futurama
I guess what I like about Friendship is Magic is the way it animates more than anything else, but it's probably one of the more perfect examples of how to reboot an aging franchise without seeming too old that it already looks recycled or too new that it looks like a blatant attempt to drastically modernize a show. It stamps an unabashed sense of innocence over all its episodes, even the ones that don't work, but doesn't do it in that talking down kind of way a lot of kids shows are known for. There's a dash of snark and smidge of slapstick, and the very rare action scenes against the episode's "big baddie" are done remarkably well. I guess I'd recommend a newcomer to start with Season Two, the best example of the early day show, or Season Five, the best example of how the show is now, or Episode 100, the often lauded "fan service" episode.

Finding someone who hasn't heard of Star vs the Forces of Evil is rare. It's probably one of Disney XD's more highly praised shows.
Is The Order A Rabbit? is an absurdly cute anime you can find on DVD or Crunchyroll. The amount of jokes the show crams out of the simple theme of teen girls pondering the joys of drinking coffee and snuggling rabbits is ridiculous.
https://youtu.be/kq5Y_ogiyi0
This is the opening of Mysterious Cities of Gold. I guess by today's standards, this opening and the song would seem cheesy, but at the time, it hinted at the great adventure lying in wait to its young viewers. It was a rare cartoon for its era because it was one of only a handful of shows that tied each episode into the last one so that none of them were really standalones, but neither did they end in cliffhangers.

https://youtu.be/NmMxBOqhyco
Oh my. This tribute video hit all the right notes!
Post edited March 19, 2018 by pmcollectorboy
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Matewis: Too many to list but I'll list a few.The best animated film I've ever seen is Lion King but my overall favorite is The 12 Tasks of Asterix. That scene slays me each time.

As for shows, these are most of my favorites
Bravestarr
Legend of Prince Valiant
Mysterious Cities of Gold
Ducktales
Gummi Bears
Talespin
Goof Troop
Darkwing Duck
and several from Cartoon Network, the best of which:
Ed, Edd and Eddy
but also Dexter's Lab, Johnny Bravo, Powerpuff Girls, Cow & Chicken and Samurai Jack. Probably Clone Wars too but I haven't seen it yet.

Oh yes and I can't forget about Beavis and Butt-head. For some reason I just love the overall style of it, which is one reason why I've recently started watching King of the Hill because the way the characters and backgrounds are drawn reminds me a lot of it

Edit : Pretty ashamed of myself for not remembering these two
Batman
Dogtanian
I'm really surprised that "The Adventures of Tintin" isn't in your list.
Cuphead made me find and appreciate Fleischer Studios.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b8isnhYMjg

Besides that, Futurama is one of the few cartoons I hold dear.
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TARFU: I'm really surprised that "The Adventures of Tintin" isn't in your list.
The tv series? I'm a huge Tintin fan and I enjoyed the few episodes I saw a few years ago. But at the time I felt that I enjoyed reading the books more, especially since the episodes I saw followed the books very closely.
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TARFU: I'm really surprised that "The Adventures of Tintin" isn't in your list.
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Matewis: The tv series? I'm a huge Tintin fan and I enjoyed the few episodes I saw a few years ago. But at the time I felt that I enjoyed reading the books more, especially since the episodes I saw followed the books very closely.
Yeah, I'm talking about the tv series/cartoon. The books ARE good but as you've noticed, so is the cartoon. Why not enjoy both?
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Matewis: The tv series? I'm a huge Tintin fan and I enjoyed the few episodes I saw a few years ago. But at the time I felt that I enjoyed reading the books more, especially since the episodes I saw followed the books very closely.
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TARFU: Yeah, I'm talking about the tv series/cartoon. The books ARE good but as you've noticed, so is the cartoon. Why not enjoy both?
Oh if I could get my hands on it someday then I'll probably watch it. I can't remember where I saw those few episodes years ago. But what I'm really hoping for are some proper big budget Tintin films. Or even a new tv series with high production value. The last film was a bit of a disappointment. It was enjoyable and had some fun moments, but it was way too over-the-top. Not to mention Tintin's face was, uhm, uncanny.
Post edited March 19, 2018 by Matewis
Oh, and check out Aeon Flux for that special mind expanding experience.
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Oddeus: Oh, and check out Aeon Flux for that special mind expanding experience.
THE CARTOON NOT THE MOVIE!!!! :D
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Oddeus: Oh, and check out Aeon Flux for that special mind expanding experience.
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tinyE: THE CARTOON NOT THE MOVIE!!!! :D
Yes, right. Thanks for specifying. Though the movie gives kind of a conclusion to the cartoon series. (For those who don´t like open endings.)
Post edited March 19, 2018 by Oddeus