That's all in the million dollar question I just mentioned: first, I'm not against expansions. Second, like any other game in history that wasn't criticized for releasing expansions, I suppose they keep the same team working on the expansions as soon as they can, or at least as soon as they get the green light. Back in the past I suspect they'd only do that well after release, to get a feel of whether the original game sells well to justify expanding. About idle employees on a dev-house, I have no idea what happens to them, get the same free coffee and cookies for breakfast?

My point is that, nowadays:
- a high-profile game's full price means nothing, it doesn't buy the full game
- unveiling this info now was a poor idea
- more importantly, because a majority buy "season passes" beforehand, all companies started selling their games incomplete

Unveiling, marketing and selling expansions along with the original game on release day happens exactly because of that, because it is widely accepted regardless of being obviously misleading (and I do know this isn't the case of release-day-DLC, but it could be, if one or the other the expansion was ready).

To summarize: I'd get that game soon, now I'll get the game only in 2016, great that I have that choice, but I can't shake the feeling that this content could have made into the main game. That makes me wonder, perhaps Gnostic was right in his previous question. If they had used the time to later release a different standalone game I'd probably not be having this feeling now.

Go here: http://www.gog.com/support/contact/my_orders_and_payments

If available set preorder id (if not just leave it as - ) Set problem type as preorder cancelation. Write which preorder you wan't to have canceled.

Supply which type of credit card you used for payment and the last four digits. If you used Paypal include transaction ID.

Gog will give you a choice between a credit card refund (or paypal) or store credit. Obviously only full refund is acceptable.

Mm.. I guess it would have been cool to have some DLC ehh, excuse me DLC-expansion ^^ where you would be one of the girls. =)

That regional pricing kinda sucks but like they say there's plenty of time before those come out, still it's kinda weird that they already have so accurate releases for those even before the main game is out.

Basically there's only one option for me: to continue playing Persona 3.. =D

Nah.. I've waited long enough. I'll buy the main game soon and see how it is and runs in gtx 760 then I'll worry about other stuff.

Well made content is always welcome.

Edit: The PC version also should have that application (what consoles get) where you could pick what choices you have made in previous games. I mean there's been like years to keep saves and not everyone has those.. I have some save but still.

I phrased it poorly. The expansions will only be released later, but the game is shipping incomplete, along with additional cosmetic content that you can download on day two from release, probably to give people this childish feeling that they're getting something "for free". My point: why not ship the game with the laughable day two DLC? How long till they release all 16 DLC packages with different 3D models for clothes and equipment that should come in the original game in the first place? How long it really takes to develop the expansion coming out 5 months after the release of the original game (which might lead me to think it should have come with the original)? Why so much explaining in the press release?

As I was telling Lukazs, it would look better if they didn't have unveiled this info now, though now I can choose to skip the game for a full year until the full game comes (which also sucks).

Isn't every game a 'base' game, with some accruing expansions and others not?

Entitlement is a funny thing. No matter what they do, or how they modify their approach, there is *always* going to be a solid core of entitled cry-babies out there making with the endless whining and gnashing of milk-teeth.

For the record, I'm cool with this. Means the original team has a hand in the expansions and that's perfect, from a continuity *and* delivery standpoint.

Good job CDPR!

Firing idle employees, delay the game a year, giving shit for free, none of that is part of the problem/solution. I think the point is, CDPR is aligning with that famous business model where the full content of a big game is never released on day one. This wasn't the case with Witcher 1 and 2, so you might expect some fans to raise eyebrows over this right?

Curiously, both Witcher 1 and 2 were released terribly buggy and with serious performance issues that were only fixed in enhanced editions, if at all, so one might say that in a way CDPR was already leading a trend of releasing incomplete games on day one. Here's a fact: Witcher 1 was unplayable on a given PC I had, Enhanced Edition Witcher 1 was fine, a five-star game from my standard.
Exactly my thought.

This, yes.

There's that word again. And you even used it twice. That Mass Effect 3 ending was a terrible thing for gaming in so many ways. Heaven help the people who are unhappy about anything. Fucking entitled brats.

Ahem, already explained that here: http://www.gog.com/forum/general/witcher_expansion_0f2a2/post534

and that's better how? making AAA games already takes a long time. delays for expansion would not benefit anyone. Support staff often gets fired. that's what happens to most people. It does buy you a full game. Expansion packs are not part of Witcher 3 game. BG2:SOA is full game isn't it. TOB as expansion is not part of SOA. is SOA incomplete because of TOB? HL2 is incomplete as a game because of Episodes? True. but they did tell us about expansion packs coming for TW3. And the point being? CDPR is not doing that are they? Sure they content could have been made into the game. the game would take extra year to produce wouldn't it? and would cost CDPR extra year of work.
then they would release the game at much higher price point to justify the extra expenditure. and it wouldn't sale at that price point.

You say you are not against expansion. yet you are criticizing the company for making them for their new game. I don't follow that logic.
maybe announcing it now is a bad idea.
but if they announced it a day after release when preorders are not refundable wouldn't you also complain?
and keeping people in the dark about it is also a bad business idea.

See my previous comment. Since December the base game content has been essentially completed, and now they've spent the last few months polishing and testing. What would you have the artists and writers do in the meantime? Is there a writing/pre-production embargo that must be in effect until the base game is released? I'm not sure you understand how game development works.

No offense, but telling me how to do it on steam isn't all that helpful.
Ok, thanks!

But do those people also claim that MaGoG's database is incomplete, because there will be new releases this week and the next (and so on)? Or do those people accept that MaGoG's database is complete today, and will be expanded as new content is released, even though it doesn't take away from the current state?
What were the Enhanced Editions then? I thought Witcher 1 was a complete meal, as was Witcher 2, and their Enhanced Editions elevated them to 3-course meals.
Don't you have restaurants/hotels offering a "Christmas Dinner, $25/person", or New Year Dinner, or Easter Dinner, or Valentine's Day Dinner or so on, without the menu being set weeks in advance? I thought that was relatively common nowadays, and since the kitchen is something you can check beforehand, you'd have a guess of whether the food is worth paying for or not.
The version that is going to the press to be on Disc has to be locked at least weeks before release day, if not months before. There is the whole retail distribution thing that requires it.
During the final stages of bugtesting, the artists and writers are twiddling their thumbs, so they can ask the programmers to add a function to change facial hair (for example), so then the animators can create different beards that can be added to the game and switched at will. To add said animations to the disc though, so they are part of the game and not Day 1 DLC means delaying the disc pressing until the animations are done.

I don't know. You should probably ask them.
I don't see, however, hordes of people claiming that I have deceived them.

What you don't seem to realise is that we are not discussing some objective definition here, nor even the nature of a specific expansion, but rather the accumulated feeling of rather significant portions of the community that we have been played for a fool once (twice, thrice) too often. I envy you that you don't feel it. It's not a pleasant feeling.

Ok, some people's problem is not that they announced the expansion prior to the Main Game's release, but that they're selling them right away.
But, in essence, how is this different than what they're already doing?
I'm not talking about other games, i'm talking about their own games.
For Witcher 3 they already had announced preorders many months before it even got delayed.

Selling preorders right away helps them find more resources to build the world and possibly create more stuff within the game. Of course they also want to make money for themselves, but since we have GOG, what difference does it make?

Of course anyone is free to do whatever they want, but i just read some stuff here that i don't think are justified enough.

Also seeing people overreact, saying stuff about "Episodic gaming" and going over the top as equating all DLCs, not considering what content they include is, well... beyond me.

Example A : TOMB RAIDER (2013)

23 DLCs about skins, 2 DLCs including Multiplayer maps and one DLC which has 1 SP mission.
Bundled Price 20 Euros after 2 years of release.

My verdict : The skins are a total cash grab, the MP packs might have some replay value as might the SP mission.
Wouldn't buy for this (lowered price) if i had spare money.

Example B : Mortal Kombat X

1 DLC PACK including 4 New Characters and 12 skins.
Preorder Price : 30 Euros.

My Verdict : With the retail/day one game priced at 50 Euro, having 25 characters, Story Mode, Ladder Mode, Videos, many skins and Extras and supposedly a massive Multiplayer Mode (therefore huge replay value), i really find the price of that DLC, HUGELY Overpriced.

Example C : The Witcher 3

1 DLC Including 2 Expansions. The first one lasting about 10 hours on existing regions and the 2nd one 20 hours introducing new places and both possibly having lots of NPC dialogue and characters. Priced at 25 Euros for preorder.
My Verdict : Decent buy. For me not some huge bargain, that i'd buy with closed eyes, but definitely i do not consider this a cash crab, but a decent move that any respectable developer would make.

Again you people might consider this a cash grab and...that's okay! I just thought i'd mention 3 examples to prove how wide and different the term DLC is. And that, just because DLCs have are infamous for their lack of meaningful content doesn't mean that we should condemn everything else.
This is pretty obvious and not something i thought i should underline, but some posts here made me think twice, so here it is :P