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Orkhepaj: better?
that sounds horrible, if it is the same product just a little bit changed visual it is not an improvement at all
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MarkoH01: Why would I need improvement on the cost of it being more incompatible. It's fine as it is ...
Cause compability of old stuff is not the most important feature
Yesterday I've seen the Windows 11 leaked build on a colleague's laptop (not in a virtual machine).

Aside from the new icons and other cosmetic upgrades, so far it still looks pretty much like Win10. All drivers installed just fine and it was pretty much usable.

It's however nothing I would suggest replacing over Win10 for now.
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MarkoH01: Why would I need improvement on the cost of it being more incompatible. It's fine as it is ...
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Orkhepaj: Cause compability of old stuff is not the most important feature
Thanks for telling me your opinion but for me it is very important and as you might have guessed, whenever I am posting, I usually express my opinion which obviously does not match yours.
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I still can't understand why all these Windows Feature Update or Windows 11 articles circle around the user interface. Why the heck would I care whether the taskbar is centered or on the left, or if the icons are rounded up or not? Why is that so important how it all looks? Some even remember to mention that the Windows start sound is now different! WOW!!! And I thought I can change it to whatever I want myself, even to an extremely funny fart sound.

Maybe I think this way because I am already accustomed to the "Linux way" where you can pretty freely choose almost any kind of desktop environment that can look and even act wildly different from each other. So I don't have to wait for the next release of some Linux distro to get any changes to the GUI, and having to live with the changes too in case I don't like them after all. I can always change to some other desktop environment, or even another distro.

What is worse, many of the new GUI changes that MS introduces just irritate me. Like, I seriously didn't like and still don't like how windows keep "snapping" to edges and such automatically, if I accidentally bring them too close to the edges or something. I still find that snap-in behavior just irritating because it is ASSuming what I want to do, taking control away from me.

And I still don't understand why the Start menu just keep getting worse, flatter. In Windows 7 it is good, later they removed subfolders from the Start Menu, and now Windows 11 seems to change it to even simpler, like a mobile phone interface. To heck with desktop users, right? Clearly geared towards tablet and phone users...

I wonder when Microsoft will present new Windows features which really matter and are genuine improvements, instead of changing where icons are and how they look? Like, say, a new version of NTFS which, while would be still backwards compatible with existing NTFS filesystem, would have some nice new features, like those present in more advanced filesystems like OpenZFS and Btrfs (even in home use)?
Post edited June 18, 2021 by timppu
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timppu: …snip
Maybe I think this way because I am already accustomed to the "Linux way" where you can pretty freely choose almost any kind of desktop environment that can look and even act wildly different from each other. So I don't have to wait for the next release of some Linux distro to get any changes to the GUI, and having to live with the changes too in case I don't like them after all. I can always change to some other desktop environment, or even another distro.

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Wow, a whole 3 days before someone posted “Linux is just so much better than everything” ;o)
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4 more years? we'll all be old by then
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nightcraw1er.488: Wow, a whole 3 days before someone posted “Linux is just so much better than everything” ;o)
But Linux is just so much better than Windows though. Even Wine is a better Windows API than Windows itself. At least most old GOG games work on Wine with no or minimal tweaks, while on Windows it's a compatibility nightmare with very few clues given about what's wrong this time.
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timppu: What is worse, many of the new GUI changes that MS introduces just irritate me. Like, I seriously didn't like and still don't like how windows keep "snapping" to edges and such automatically, if I accidentally bring them too close to the edges or something. I still find that snap-in behavior just irritating because it is ASSuming what I want to do, taking control away from me.
That "feature" can be easily disabled.
Post edited June 18, 2021 by Mr.Mumbles
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nightcraw1er.488: Wow, a whole 3 days before someone posted “Linux is just so much better than everything” ;o)
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deesklo: But Linux is just so much better than Windows though. Even Wine is a better Windows API than Windows itself. At least most old GOG games work on Wine with no or minimal tweaks, while on Windows it's a compatibility nightmare with very few clues given about what's wrong this time.
:P yeah sure
the reality is linux is <2% for a reason
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yeah this looks like just a reskin :I
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timppu: What is worse, many of the new GUI changes that MS introduces just irritate me. Like, I seriously didn't like and still don't like how windows keep "snapping" to edges and such automatically, if I accidentally bring them too close to the edges or something. I still find that snap-in behavior just irritating because it is ASSuming what I want to do, taking control away from me.
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Mr.Mumbles: That "feature" can be easily disabled.
I wonder why they hide it under "multitasking"? What does it have to do with multitasking?

The main problem though is that I constantly do stuff on Windows desktops and servers which are not solely in my use. So I'd have to disable it in all of them, and maybe some other user actually likes that feature (I doubt it though).
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nightcraw1er.488: Wow, a whole 3 days before someone posted “Linux is just so much better than everything” ;o)
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deesklo: But Linux is just so much better than Windows though. Even Wine is a better Windows API than Windows itself. At least most old GOG games work on Wine with no or minimal tweaks, while on Windows it's a compatibility nightmare with very few clues given about what's wrong this time.
*facepalm*
Maybe not exactly a major OS update XD
https://imgur.com/a/3FtqNsP
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nightcraw1er.488: Wow, a whole 3 days before someone posted “Linux is just so much better than everything” ;o)
Can't deny the facts! ;^P And my main critique was towards these Windows 11 articles, more than Windows 11 itself. For the record, I similarly dismiss Linux articles about what new features some new desktop environment like a new version of GNOME has. I don't really care, as long as it is still usable and doesn't get into my way too much, and isn't a total resource hog for no good reason.

Every little GUI change Microsoft does gets an "Oooh! Look! Rounded icons! Different Windows start sound! Now the taskbar is centered by default! The files have a two pixels wider spacing in File Explorer!", and I am like "WTF? Can't people just freely choose such GUI features?".

It is like at work someone would go "Oooh! You have different color of socks today, than yesterday!".

At least you can still change the desktop wallpaper... maybe it will also become a locked feature that changes in each new Windows release, just so that those articles can write about a new wallpaper in a new Windows release.

As said, I would be much more impressed if MS released e.g. NTFS2, a more robust version of NTFS with features like checksumming (yes please!). Maybe grannies don't need software RAIDs or data deduplication and such, but some advanced users would still like to use them too, especially when setting up a server.

Does someone have a list of Windows 11 changes that are NOT related directly to the GUI (how it looks and behaves and sounds)?

EDIT: To appease all the Windows fans and to show I don't think Linux is better at absolutely everything, adding more free space to a partition, especially without a reboot, is easier and simpler in Windows (NTFS) than in Linux (e.g. ext4 or xfs with LVM). At least at work when some client asks to add some hard drive space to some partition, any of my colleagues can do it on Windows. But when some Linux server needs the same, they ask me to do it because they are afraid of doing it and find it too complicated...
Post edited June 18, 2021 by timppu
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deesklo: while on Windows it's a compatibility nightmare with very few clues given about what's wrong this time.
That's just... wrong. I don't dispute that you can get stuff working on wine really easily, but it's also incredibly easy to get things working on Windows. Even at it's worst, it's the same effort as doing it through wine, it's just different, which might be what's driving your comment.

Basically, 99.9% of Windows problems are fixed by one or more of:

- stripping out securom or other DRM which had support removed due to security concerns (needed for physical media only)
- using dgvoodoo2 or other wrapper to pass Glide or earlier versions of DirectX than 10 through to DX 10-12
- Using a Windows Compatibility mode (most of the time, XP SP3)

16 bit applications are admittedly harder, but Windows tells you what they are. Either way, there's a third party layer for that, or you can VM/emulate a 32-bit Windows.

I'd also say that most GoG games are pre-tweaked out of the box and just... work.