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Posted June 16, 2021
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Orkhepaj: news? this is just assumption

that is from the verge , not a trustful site
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dtgreene: According to
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-verge/
the verge has no failed a fact check, so it should be quite trustworthy, on par with (or perhaps even better than) many of the well known news web sites.
the verge :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-2Scfj4FZk
dunno how anyone can take them seriously
Posted June 16, 2021
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timppu: 2. Icewind Dale 2 Complete GOG (and probably all the other classic Infinity Engine RPGs as well):
- Works pretty ok in Windows 7, while in Windows 10 the movement/scrolling is very jerky and there are other graphical issues.
- The fix: use e.g. DxWnd utility with the game. This pretty much fixes the issues (albeit, oddly, the game still runs better and smoother on e.g. Linux (Wine) on that same PC; go figure...)
You can probably also fix using dgvoodoo 2 - if I recall correctly, IwD2 is a DirectX 8 game; I've increasingly found that anything prior to DirectX 9.0c benefits from passing through the wrapper. I'm not really a DxWind user as I know the original aim of that was to play windowed (and I loathe playing games in anything other than full screen).
Posted June 16, 2021
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: What happened to Windows 10 being "the last version of Windows" according to Microsoft?
The same thing that happened with everything any company ever said. Time goes on and new executives decide that the old ideas were stupid. People/companies change their minds. Just look at what happened to Good Old Games. Or to "Don't be evil", which Google removed from their former principles.
What a company says today, ain't worth shit tomorrow.

ps. That's not some anti-capitalistic rant, btw. People are the same. Marriages are a promise to stay together forever. People promise shit all the time and change their minds some time later. That's pretty much normal.
Post edited June 16, 2021 by real.geizterfahr
Posted June 16, 2021
For dx8 games specifically there is another wrapper I used less but it works amazing in the Hidden and Dangerous games. It makes calls from d3d8 to 9 and the file is just a "d3d8,dll"
Posted June 16, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: Simply put, win 10 is the most widely used OS
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dtgreene: Correction: Windows 10 is the most widely used OS on desktops/laptops/workstations. It is *not* the most widely used in other segments; in particular, it's not nearly as common on either servers (Linux is dominant there) or mobile (Android and iOS are dominant there). (Even the servers and mobile devices that run Windows run an edition that isn't called Windows 10, I believe.)
Yes, of course, I should have clarified. I don’t consider servers to running games, and mobile is a very different arena. I suppose you could also have another section for embedded, which likely would be Linux as well.
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nightcraw1er.488: As for games not working with windows 10, really stop probagating this myth (I understand, Linux is the master OS and everything else doesn’t work and all that!). So directplay was not enabled by default, and they dropped support for securom, which I think we can all agree was a good thing.
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timppu: No I don't agree it is a good thing because they could have handled it as they did in Windows 7, ie. you are still able to enable the support for securom, in case you really need to run some application that relies on it.

They took that option away completely in Windows 10.

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nightcraw1er.488: This has not affected compatability. I have yet to find a game which doesn’t run on windows 10.
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timppu: While I am unsure if I've found a game that works in Windows 7 but I haven't been able to get run AT ALL on Windows 10... I do have encountered several games that run worse on Windows 10 (than in e.g. Windows 7), and need additional fixes or changes that are not needed in Windows 7. Off the top of my head:

1. Might & Magic 9 (GOG version at least):
- In Windows 10 everything is dark when you dive underwater, you can't really see anything. (There are possibly other similar errors as well, but I didn't test further.)
- The fix: install and use dgVoodoo2 with the game.

2. Icewind Dale 2 Complete GOG (and probably all the other classic Infinity Engine RPGs as well):
- Works pretty ok in Windows 7, while in Windows 10 the movement/scrolling is very jerky and there are other graphical issues.
- The fix: use e.g. DxWnd utility with the game. This pretty much fixes the issues (albeit, oddly, the game still runs better and smoother on e.g. Linux (Wine) on that same PC; go figure...)

3. Geometry Dash (Steam)
- In the fullscreen mode, the game runs butter smooth (60 fps?) on Windows 7 out of the box, while in Windows 10 it runs pretty jerkily, like between 15-30 fps or so (this difference is very visible in this game as it is a very high-reflex action game)
- The fix: fortunately the game also has an option for "windowed fullscreen", which you should use in Windows 10, instead of the true fullscreen mode. I don't know why Windows 10 has this kind of issue with "true fullscreen", and what are all the games affected by that.

So, at least I feel it is incorrect to proclaim that Windows 10 is just as backwards-compatible with older games, as what Windows 7 is/was. There are extra issues that need extra fixes.
Actually, securom and such like are malicious software (more than even other drm software) as they open the system up to exploits. It was indeed very correct for windows to remove support for it. If only they went further and removed support for other drm systems, the world would be a better place.
For the infinity games, I hadn’t had that. Will have to check.
Post edited June 16, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
Posted June 16, 2021
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thefallenalchemist: Because these rumors are totally founded, or whatever the opposite of unfounded would be. In any case, The Verge claims that it's Win 11 Screenshots are legit and I also have word that some folks I know in tech are already going to be using a beta version of the software for business. What this means is that yes, Microsoft is pushing this and on June 24th, we will probably get an official announcement.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/06/make-way-for-windows-11-windows-10-end-of-life-is-october-2025/
Well, look.

Do you see an article from the MSDN or MS themselves? Cause otherwise I've taken the cynical route of waiting for the horse to arrive at the cart.
Posted June 16, 2021
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skeletonbow: It's just a case of at the time they intended for Windows 10 to be the last release going forward and be a rolling release, but that since then they have changed their mind. So they said one thing before with that being the intention, but have changed their minds since because they're not obligated to stick to the original idea by any means. I didn't think it would be permanently Windows 10 either, but I'm surprised they've changed plans already from what they previously announced.
Really? Screw MS. All promises and they will never keep a single one. I already lost support for several games because I had to use Windows 10 and now they are telling me that this will happen again? I really hate this company.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: So it's becoming pretty clear that Microsoft lied by claiming Windows 10 was the last. I hope someone sues them over that.
Was that part of any contract so that somebody would be able to sue them?

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Sure they are. They are ethically obligated if they have any morals.
They don't - they don't care and they don't need to. People will always buy their products and they know.

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Ancient-Red-Dragon: And they are also legally obligated, because selling Windows 10 under the false premise of it being the last Windows OS ever is false advertising on their part. That's against the law.
I really doubt this statement. How often did you hear that a certain season will be the last one of a series and you buy it ... then the next comes out. This is especially problematic with so called "complete" boxes ... still nobody sued companys and I really doubt there would be a legal case at all. Most people did not buy Win 10 because it was "the last" but because it as the one that MS still supports.
Post edited June 16, 2021 by MarkoH01
Posted June 16, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: I don’t consider servers to running games
Unless you're talking about something like Stadia.

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nightcraw1er.488: I suppose you could also have another section for embedded, which likely would be Linux as well.
Actually, you can't lump all embedded together like that.
* There are embedded systems that run Windows. This includes, for example, some point-of-sale devices, which could be running Windows 9x. Some systems of this sort just never get upgraded, and might still have a 486 CPU or something.
* There are even embedded systems that run DOS, I believe.
* Looking in a different direction, there are embedded systems that are not designed to run a general purpose OS. For example, the Raspberry Pi Pico doesn't run Linux or any other OS; the code you write becomes the device's firmware. This is generally the case with other microcontrollers, as well. (You wouldn't expect your (non-smart) microwave, or your (non-graphing) hand calculator, to be running Windows or Linux, right?)
Post edited June 16, 2021 by dtgreene
Posted June 16, 2021
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rofl some verge fans dvoted : D
insecurity at its finest^^
Posted June 18, 2021
If some people had brains, I swear they would take them out and play with them.

https://www.engadget.com/windows-11-leak-hands-on-windows-10-macos-224819963.html

So Windows is trying to be Mac, it seems.
Posted June 18, 2021
Another example of Windows 11 being a real thing.

I'm actually liking the new start menu. Gone are the horrible mess of widgets, which appear to be its own separate thing now, and the deluge of oftentimes pointless menu folders. That's pretty much why I haven't used it directly in years. It's easier to get to the stuff I want via file explorer/windows-key search.

For the most part, I don't expect a massive overhaul rather than it being more of a visual redesign.
Post edited June 18, 2021 by Mr.Mumbles
Posted June 18, 2021
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MarkoH01: Really? Screw MS. All promises and they will never keep a single one. I already lost support for several games because I had to use Windows 10 and now they are telling me that this will happen again? I really hate this company.
I wouldn't worry too much, Based on everybody who installed it and played with it Windows 11 really seems to simply be a "marketing" update rather than really a technical one (as in same drivers, everything that works on Windows 10 will work on 11, etc...) , it is technically the next feature upgrade of Windows 10 that they renamed Windows 11 to get peoples "excited" (And maybe to charge them again but we don't know yet if they will offer upgrade like they did for Windows 10)
Posted June 18, 2021
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MarkoH01: Really? Screw MS. All promises and they will never keep a single one. I already lost support for several games because I had to use Windows 10 and now they are telling me that this will happen again? I really hate this company.
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Gersen: I wouldn't worry too much, Based on everybody who installed it and played with it Windows 11 really seems to simply be a "marketing" update rather than really a technical one (as in same drivers, everything that works on Windows 10 will work on 11, etc...) , it is technically the next feature upgrade of Windows 10 that they renamed Windows 11 to get peoples "excited" (And maybe to charge them again but we don't know yet if they will offer upgrade like they did for Windows 10)
That sounds much better - let's hope you're right (which luckily often was the case in the past) :)
Posted June 18, 2021
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Gersen: I wouldn't worry too much, Based on everybody who installed it and played with it Windows 11 really seems to simply be a "marketing" update rather than really a technical one (as in same drivers, everything that works on Windows 10 will work on 11, etc...) , it is technically the next feature upgrade of Windows 10 that they renamed Windows 11 to get peoples "excited" (And maybe to charge them again but we don't know yet if they will offer upgrade like they did for Windows 10)
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MarkoH01: That sounds much better - let's hope you're right (which luckily often was the case in the past) :)
better?
that sounds horrible, if it is the same product just a little bit changed visual it is not an improvement at all
Posted June 18, 2021
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MarkoH01: That sounds much better - let's hope you're right (which luckily often was the case in the past) :)
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Orkhepaj: better?
that sounds horrible, if it is the same product just a little bit changed visual it is not an improvement at all
Why would I need improvement on the cost of it being more incompatible. It's fine as it is ...
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