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This is my favourite topic
Posted August 06, 2015
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JMich: [..]
I edited the comment while you were replying, so some detail has changed.
Anyway:

Context. See the rest of the sentence for it.
I already knew the context, and the phrase didn't still sound great.

offending anyone who liked Win10
come on, it was a generic phrase to express disappoint over the new product. It wasn't directed at you, so you shouldn't have taken it personally.

[game] is unplayable [..] because I find it hard to set up?
err.. this example with old games is a bit forced, as we're talking about modern product options.
Anyway, isn't that what Steam implies?
They can sell old titles to you, but then it's your business to make them work.
Optionally working games? That's crap.

does that make it mandatory or does that make me lazy?
I can do an example with Gog: if the downloader will be abandoned, Galaxy will become basically mandatory for many users.
(it won't be a problem for me, however, if Gog will improve it and will add a good installers management)

As for teaming up..
it depends on the way, obviously.
It's mostly Elenaire's fault for this specific thing, however.
EDIT: speaking of the devil.. lol
Post edited August 06, 2015 by phaolo
Posted August 06, 2015
This is fun. :D
Posted August 06, 2015
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vv221: I initially thought you were paid by Microsoft. But now that I read this I understand better: it’s most probably Red Hat who pays you to impersonate a Windows fan, with the mission of destroying all credibility they might have left…
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Elenarie: What do Red Hat have to do with anything in this thread?
It has nothing to do with Red Hat. Put "Apple" in its place if it helps you understand.
But I suspect you perfectly got the point and are just trying to divert the conversation.
Posted August 06, 2015
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Elenarie: What do Red Hat have to do with anything in this thread?
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vv221: It has nothing to do with Red Hat. Put "Apple" in its place if it helps you understand.
But I suspect you perfectly got the point and are just trying to divert the conversation.
Not really, but whatever.
Posted August 06, 2015
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Elenarie: What do Red Hat have to do with anything in this thread?
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vv221: It has nothing to do with Red Hat.
I have some fond memories with RedHat... 4... 15+ years ago?

Wow.. i feel old...

STOP MAKING ME FEEL OLD!!!
Post edited August 06, 2015 by rtcvb32
Posted August 06, 2015
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vv221: (…)
But I suspect you perfectly got the point and are just trying to divert the conversation.
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Elenarie: Not really, but whatever.
You’re comparing, in 2015, DVD playback support to floppy drives support.
I won’t trust you if you tell me you don’t understand how this is just plain wrong.
Posted August 06, 2015
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phaolo: come on, it was a generic phrase to express disappoint over the new product. It wasn't directed at you, so you shouldn't have taken it personally.
Shouldn't I? Fine, all Italians are cheats, according to my experience. Why should you take offence?
He didn't say that Win10 was bad, he said that anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot (paraphrased), so I do take offence, especially since his "reasons" were BS. So I did respond in kind.

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phaolo: [game] is unplayable [..] because I find it hard to set up?
err.. this example with old games is a bit forced, as we're talking about modern product options.
Why? You need to do a bit of legwork to get it working. Same as disabling updates on Win10. If someone doesn't want to do the legwork and complains that it's not possible, who is at fault? The software for not been lazy friendly, or the user for not taking the time to do it?
Pre-post edit: Modern products. Setting up a new router to work with your older one to extend the Wi-Fi, while keeping Wi-Fi isolated from LAN. Possible, but takes legwork, and it may not have a "Quick Setup" option. Router can't do that, it doesn't have the button to do so. What do you mean , [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_service]QoS, [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DMZ_(computing)]DMZ[/url]? I want a button to set it up.


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phaolo: does that make it mandatory or does that make me lazy?
I can do an example with Gog: if the downloader will be abandoned, Galaxy will become basically mandatory for many users.
(it won't be a problem for me, however, if Gog will improve it and will add a good installers management)
Facepalm. Seriously. There are at least 2 other downloader options, DTA addon, Getright can support resuming, if you provide the proper url for download, FF and Chrome can resume downloads, if you've kept the partial file, and a ton of other homebrew cases. So no, resuming downloads does not require Galaxy, it requires a bit of legwork. So Galaxy remains optional, unless you can't be bothered to do the legwork. Mandatory or lazy?
Posted August 06, 2015
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JMich: Shouldn't I? Fine, all Italians are cheats, according to my experience. Why should you take offence?
He didn't say that Win10 was bad, he said that anyone who thought otherwise was an idiot (paraphrased), so I do take offence, especially since his "reasons" were BS. So I did respond in kind.
Err.. did you just compare racism to a comment about a program? -_-

Anyway, I'll add this random example on the fly:
- one guy says "PC users are stupid and they're the real peasant. Consoles are better."
- first of all, I wouldn't get offended, because I know it's generic bul***t (lol).
Then:
- if I wanted to explain why it's false and so convince him, I'd only use facts without irony or mockings.
- if I just wanted to laugh at him, I'd use your tone. :P

I think you must decide what's your goal exactly.


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JMich: Why? You need to do a bit of legwork to get it working. [..] Mandatory or lazy?
I think you're confusing the topic.
I'm talking about "possible by design", not about "possible with tweaking".
If the first is missing, it's a flaw, whilst the second one becomes an alternative trick.

Otherwise, everything is optional. O_o
(even paying for games, by using cracks)
Posted August 06, 2015
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phaolo: Err.. did you just compare racism to a comment about a program? -_-
Sweep generalization, with minimum reasoning. Why take offence at that, it wasn't aimed at you (sarcasm, if unclear). Yes, saying that program X is only good if you are an imbecile is something to take offence at, whether you like the program or not.

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phaolo: Anyway, I'll add this random example on the fly:
- one guy says "PC users are stupid and they're the real peasant. Consoles are better."
- first of all, I wouldn't get offended, because I know it's generic bul***t (lol).
Then:
- if I wanted to explain why it's false and so convince him, I'd only use facts without irony or mockings.
- if I just wanted to laugh at him, I'd use your tone. :P
And that is what I did with KingofGnG, a few years back. His behavior though suggest that he doesn't accept any reasoning that doesn't agree with his, thus I employ his mocking and derogatory tactics against him. Does that work? No idea, but it does seem that he thinks a bit more before posting, at least according to time between posts. It may be that it has nothing to do with me though, but RL is preventing him from posting.

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phaolo: I think you must decide what's your goal exactly.
Educate people to think before they post. If they are capable of doing so, and explain their posts, I may engage in discussion. If they are incapable of that, I do mock their reasoning, in an attempt to have them logically defend it, even if their reasoning is false. Different people require different approaches to learn.

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phaolo: I'm talking about "possible by design", not about "possible with tweaking".
If the first is missing, it's a flaw, whilst the second one becomes an alternative trick.
Group Policy Editor is there, and can disable automatic updates. Possible by design.
PowerShell is there, can enable selectively installing of updates. Possible by design.

Having a saw, hammer, nails and wooden boards means you can make a table. Depending on how much effort you put in the job, it may be similar to one you can buy. But making the table with the tools you have is "possible by design|, not "possible by tweaking".
The tools to disable automatic updates are included in Windows. You just need to know how to use them.

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phaolo: Otherwise, everything is optional. O_o
(even paying for games, by using cracks)
Ability to do something doesn't necessarily make it legal. Legality has nothing to do with ability to do so. I can crash a car, but whether it's legal for me to do so is something else. But crashing a car is possible by design, so to speak, even if it's not (always) legal to do so.
Posted August 06, 2015
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JMich: [..]
racism
I understood that yours was only an example, but.. very poor in taste.
Amen, anyway. (I'm not offended)

mocking and derogatory tactics
Since when these work to improve others..

Possible by design.
Ok, I forgot a term in my attempt of finding a short definition (but I stated the concept before).
Maybe: "Possible by design for normal users"
Otherwise, even a car engine can be tweaked by design for other things, if you're expert and have time

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Well, this discussion has lasted enough by now.
I'll read your next reply, but.. we'll maybe continue in another episode :P
Post edited August 06, 2015 by phaolo
Posted August 06, 2015
10 is performance similar. skylake is at most 15%. DX12 reduces processor overhead. yep. sounds alright by me. means Windows 10 is not going to be a hard pill. and this is just as well with Linux getting ready to get games it might just push more people to that side.
Post edited August 06, 2015 by johnnygoging
Posted August 06, 2015
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phaolo: mocking and derogatory tactics
Since when these work to improve others..
Quite some time. Choose your favorite philosophy, and check the Golden Rule for its version. You may know it as "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" though I prefer the "Do not do to others that which angers you when they do it to you." version. So if one finds mockery and derogatory terms annoying when used against them, will they continue using them or will they rethink it?

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phaolo: Possible by design.
Ok, I forgot a term in my attempt of finding a short definition (but I stated the concept before).
Maybe: "Possible by design for normal users"
By normal user, you mean someone that can at least google for information and follow directions, right? Because if you mean someone that can only press a button, and if the button is gone, he's lost, then I will take offence.

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phaolo: Otherwise, even a car engine can be tweaked by design for other things, if you're expert and have time
Tools actually. Tools and manual. Car engines are quite simple, since for modern cars it's mostly electronically controlled, so you just need the tools to interface with the computer of it, and older ones (american musclecars) are also quite easy to tweak. So a normal user (able to google and follow instructions) should be able to tweak a car engine, assuming he has the tools.
Biggest issue with car engines is the precision required when manufacturing them. If you recall the old advice of driving at least X thousand KMs before revving up the engine, it was so any imperfections on the engine's head could be smoothed out without causing engine faults. But, if you do know what you need to do, you can find instructions easily, even for repairing an engine leaking oil.
Posted August 06, 2015
One of the test machines has locked up - works just fine for 5 minutes, then freezes and refuses to do anything. Le sigh. Between all the everything-sent-to-MS BS and obvious issues with a bog standard configuration I'm not excited.
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JMich: [..]
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phaolo: racism
I understood that yours was only an example, but.. very poor in taste.
Amen, anyway. (I'm not offended)

mocking and derogatory tactics
Since when these work to improve others..

Possible by design.
Ok, I forgot a term in my attempt of finding a short definition (but I stated the concept before).
Maybe: "Possible by design for normal users"
Otherwise, even a car engine can be tweaked by design for other things, if you're expert and have time

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Well, this discussion has lasted enough by now.
I'll read your next reply, but.. we'll maybe continue in another episode :P
JMich has obviously never had to deal with normal users, or has repressed those memories if he has, and gives no signs of actually listening to anything that other people are saying.

Arguing with him is only going to raise your blood pressure, my friend.
Post edited August 06, 2015 by Gilozard
Posted August 06, 2015
So apparently the only way to get a valid key for a clean install to Windows 10 is to first ruin an existing Windows 7/8.1 installation by upgrading it to 10. That's an unnecessary step that I am not going to take, especially because I would have to install the 8.1 update that I would only download if I could get it as an offline installer like the old service packs.

"Free update" my ass, anyone expecting me to install Windows 10 for them on my free time is going to need to pay me more than a retail licence would cost, as I would either get them a new license or do the full upgrade first, then wipe it out with a clean install procedure.
Posted August 06, 2015
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Gilozard: JMich has obviously never had to deal with normal users, or has repressed those memories if he has,
You are aware of the difference between normal users and idiot users, right? Because you seem to treat the idiot ones as the normal...

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Gilozard: and gives no signs of actually listening to anything that other people are saying.
I am shocked that people say I'm not listening, but I'm not the one that can answer that. I do admit my mistakes, and I do thank people who correct me, as well as try to not repeat said mistakes.

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Gilozard: Arguing with him is only going to raise your blood pressure, my friend.
I was under the impression that both me and phaolo were having a discussion, and that it wasn't even a heated one. If that is enough to raise one's blood pressure, I would suggest checking their salt intake, or asking a doctor for advice.
But who am I to know if a discussion is enough to raise someone's blood pressure? I'm just a guy on the internet.
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